Did i just waste my money????

Swabbie · 08-30-14, 06:49 PM

I started playing 4 again after about a year off. Saw that 5 was going for ten bucks. So, went to the SubSim store and bought the game. I think I just wasted my money. I can't believe how bad 5 is. I've been sub simming since Silent Service on the C64. In my opinion. This is the worst sub sim ever.

Sailor Steve · 09-03-14, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Swabbie

I started playing 4 again after about a year off. Saw that 5 was going for ten bucks. So, went to the SubSim store and bought the game. I think I just wasted my money. I can't believe how bad 5 is. I've been sub simming since Silent Service on the C64. In my opinion. This is the worst sub sim ever.

You've been a member for four years. One would hope you would have read all the ongoing controversy before making your decision to purchase.

The bottom line is that out of the box SH5 is dreadful. Even the people who now love the game agree with that. In that light the question arises: Have you tried any of the mods yet? Much work has done in improving the game, and the improvements have been vast, and a great many people are of the opinion that SH5 is the best sub sim ever.

THEBERBSTER · 09-03-14, 05:14 PM

There is nothing wrong with SH5

Time and time again people with completely no understanding how SH5 works come out with these crass statements.

Surely there is more than enough forum posts with people like Sober, vdr1981, Sjizzle and others explaining how mods add enjoyment and immersion to the game.

Whether you have 3-4-5 out of the box they are all crap until you add mods and mods that fix the games flaws.

Modders have taken a lot of their time to give us today an extremely playable SH5

Have a look at my tutorials posts and you might get a better understanding of SH5

Link to my Step By Step Tutorials & How To Do It

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=211804

BigWalleye · 09-04-14, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by THEBERBSTER

There is nothing wrong with SH5.

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Originally Posted by THEBERBSTER

Whether you have 3-4-5 out of the box they are all crap until you add mods and mods that fix the games flaws.

With all due respect, these two statements appear to directly contradict each other.

I understand that you are trying to defend the game that you enjoy. A bit more clarity might make a stronger argument.

Lexandro · 09-04-14, 12:08 PM

While I respect your opinion Berester, I completely disagree with it. There is plenty wrong with Sh5 in my view.

Whats "wrong" and "right" is subjective. To me its "wrong" sh5 only has a German campaign, as is the lack of subs to chose from. The UI is horrendous and the requirement to ALWAYS start at the dockyard is tedious and highly aggravating due to AI harbour ships. And the complete lack of crew management is a real disapointment, being replaced with a horrible moral system for officers. Oh and the bad coding.

Which is why I think Sh4 is a superior game, even if its not a superior sim or as good looking.

THEBERBSTER · 09-06-14, 11:20 AM

No game is or will ever be perfect.

What I was trying to say is in my view, and by the looks of it many others, SH5 works when good mods are added.

While you may disagree that is your prerogative.

People like Dr Jones 237,000 hits, Fifi 49,000 hits, Sober 500,000 hits, TDW 1.7 million hits, Trevally 556,000 hits, vdr1981 96,000 hits and others modders have put a lot of hard work in to make the game SH5 more playable.

From the received responses it’s not all doom and gloom.

Celestial fixes using the sextant, full control of the dive planes, being able to set independent engine controls, real navigation, are just some of the additions that have been added for those who want to take the game to another level.

I play both SH4 and SH5 most days.

They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

There are bits of SH4 I would have liked to have seen in SH5 and vice versa.

Every game we play is a compromised in some way.

Docking does not bother me in fact I always select dock in SH4 as to me it all part of the overall experience.

I found having to move the crew irritating in RFB to three different stations to protect them in the event of coming under attack which why I prefer to play TMOwtw 2.50

It may be that my expectations are lower than others.

After all it is only a game that we are playing.

Peter

BigWalleye · 09-06-14, 11:42 AM

Copied this post from another thread on this forum. I believe it speaks for itself.

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Originally Posted by THEBERBSTER

Hi Capt J

I have played the Baltic Operation probably in to double figures.

I have only had 3 successful completions without ctd,s.

I too had a ctd the last time when submerged and a further ctd on the way to Kiel.

So do not worry too much about ctd's around the Danzig Bay area.

If you get them on your next patrol then start worrying.

Peter

08-30-14, 06:49 PM	#1
Swabbie Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 50 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	I started playing 4 again after about a year off. Saw that 5 was going for ten bucks. So, went to the SubSim store and bought the game. I think I just wasted my money. I can't believe how bad 5 is. I've been sub simming since Silent Service on the C64. In my opinion. This is the worst sub sim ever. __________________ "Potius Mori Quam Foedar"

09-03-14, 05:14 PM	#3
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hythe - Southampton Posts: 9,609 Downloads: 1133 Uploads: 0	There is nothing wrong with SH5 Time and time again people with completely no understanding how SH5 works come out with these crass statements. Surely there is more than enough forum posts with people like Sober, vdr1981, Sjizzle and others explaining how mods add enjoyment and immersion to the game. Whether you have 3-4-5 out of the box they are all crap until you add mods and mods that fix the games flaws. Modders have taken a lot of their time to give us today an extremely playable SH5 Have a look at my tutorials posts and you might get a better understanding of SH5 Link to my Step By Step Tutorials & How To Do It http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=211804 __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

09-06-14, 11:20 AM	#6
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hythe - Southampton Posts: 9,609 Downloads: 1133 Uploads: 0	No game is or will ever be perfect. What I was trying to say is in my view, and by the looks of it many others, SH5 works when good mods are added. While you may disagree that is your prerogative. People like Dr Jones 237,000 hits, Fifi 49,000 hits, Sober 500,000 hits, TDW 1.7 million hits, Trevally 556,000 hits, vdr1981 96,000 hits and others modders have put a lot of hard work in to make the game SH5 more playable. From the received responses it’s not all doom and gloom. Celestial fixes using the sextant, full control of the dive planes, being able to set independent engine controls, real navigation, are just some of the additions that have been added for those who want to take the game to another level. I play both SH4 and SH5 most days. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. There are bits of SH4 I would have liked to have seen in SH5 and vice versa. Every game we play is a compromised in some way. Docking does not bother me in fact I always select dock in SH4 as to me it all part of the overall experience. I found having to move the crew irritating in RFB to three different stations to protect them in the event of coming under attack which why I prefer to play TMOwtw 2.50 It may be that my expectations are lower than others. After all it is only a game that we are playing. Peter __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

09-04-14, 12:08 PM	#5
Lexandro Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: REDACTED Posts: 172 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	While I respect your opinion Berester, I completely disagree with it. There is plenty wrong with Sh5 in my view. Whats "wrong" and "right" is subjective. To me its "wrong" sh5 only has a German campaign, as is the lack of subs to chose from. The UI is horrendous and the requirement to ALWAYS start at the dockyard is tedious and highly aggravating due to AI harbour ships. And the complete lack of crew management is a real disapointment, being replaced with a horrible moral system for officers. Oh and the bad coding. Which is why I think Sh4 is a superior game, even if its not a superior sim or as good looking.