Malaysian Airlines MH317

Skybird · 08-08-14, 06:51 PM

The man has some very good points, and the technical specifications, the photographies (even if now being cleaned by secret services most likely), and the witness reports by that Spanish flight controller cannot be denied or assumed to never have existed. The author forms it all into a very reasonable theory, not into some fantasy-stretching conspiracy story about aliens from Mars. That all together is a bit more than just "speculation". Its a well thought-out and well-founded theory basing on some undeniable facts, and so deserves more careful examination and research than just wiping the unwanted possibility off the table by insisting: "Speculation. Period."

But I am aware of course that this scenario would not be met with cheers and welcomes by many people in the West. It would paint the wrong guys as the bad guys here. It should not be Kiew that is responsible, because the good guys in Kiew should be brought into EU and NATO if Washington has its will, and so they must be the guys in white and shiny armour. The blame must be put on the separatists and on Russia. That is a political demand ordered by Brussel and Washington, and whether reality corresponds with it or not does not interest our glorious leaders.

TarJak · 08-08-14, 07:25 PM

I've not a care which side did the deed. I'm interested in the facts only and not idle speculation or conspiracy theories.

Dread Knot · 08-08-14, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

I've not a care which side did the deed. I'm interested in the facts only and not idle speculation or conspiracy theories.

Agreed. Especially the crude attempts on some people's part to make this tragedy prove some other crack pot conspiracy theory.

Skybird · 08-09-14, 04:59 AM

Again, show where it is "conspiration theory".

It is, by all what I can say, a reasonable theory indeed, thought out well and covering all known - and now "once known" facts and released materials. He is able to explain it all reasonably and with an easy, simple, elegant theory - and without needing to construct absurd conspiracies and fantasy-enriched nonsense. The scenario sounds perfectly realistic, and it is such that it explains all known pieces of info, in a simple, reasonable and elegant way.

That is much more than you two can show up with: rhetorics meant to prevent a scenario being brought to people's attention and to public discussion that you would not welcome to be true.

If the same theory would end in: it were the Russians, there would be postings like "I told you so, damn those Russians" by now.

I do not claim the theory by the man is true. I say it is reasonable enough a theory, and sufficiently thought out, to justify giving it serious examination and consideration. And certainly more credit than just claiming "it is conspiracy theory, the man should wear a tin foil hat".

08-08-14, 06:51 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,649 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The man has some very good points, and the technical specifications, the photographies (even if now being cleaned by secret services most likely), and the witness reports by that Spanish flight controller cannot be denied or assumed to never have existed. The author forms it all into a very reasonable theory, not into some fantasy-stretching conspiracy story about aliens from Mars. That all together is a bit more than just "speculation". Its a well thought-out and well-founded theory basing on some undeniable facts, and so deserves more careful examination and research than just wiping the unwanted possibility off the table by insisting: "Speculation. Period." But I am aware of course that this scenario would not be met with cheers and welcomes by many people in the West. It would paint the wrong guys as the bad guys here. It should not be Kiew that is responsible, because the good guys in Kiew should be brought into EU and NATO if Washington has its will, and so they must be the guys in white and shiny armour. The blame must be put on the separatists and on Russia. That is a political demand ordered by Brussel and Washington, and whether reality corresponds with it or not does not interest our glorious leaders. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-09-14, 04:59 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,649 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Again, show where it is "conspiration theory". It is, by all what I can say, a reasonable theory indeed, thought out well and covering all known - and now "once known" facts and released materials. He is able to explain it all reasonably and with an easy, simple, elegant theory - and without needing to construct absurd conspiracies and fantasy-enriched nonsense. The scenario sounds perfectly realistic, and it is such that it explains all known pieces of info, in a simple, reasonable and elegant way. That is much more than you two can show up with: rhetorics meant to prevent a scenario being brought to people's attention and to public discussion that you would not welcome to be true. If the same theory would end in: it were the Russians, there would be postings like "I told you so, damn those Russians" by now. I do not claim the theory by the man is true. I say it is reasonable enough a theory, and sufficiently thought out, to justify giving it serious examination and consideration. And certainly more credit than just claiming "it is conspiracy theory, the man should wear a tin foil hat". __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-08-14, 07:25 PM	#2
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	I've not a care which side did the deed. I'm interested in the facts only and not idle speculation or conspiracy theories.