Malaysia airlines B777 missing - Page 34

CCIP · 04-06-14, 05:26 PM

And what technology is that which can do all of these things, praytell?

the difficult word there is "probably". I'd word it more as "improbably" because there's no real technological basis to make that claim.

Herr-Berbunch · 04-06-14, 05:50 PM

I think the guy is under the assumption that the western (and southern!) world has the whole world under radar/satellite surveillance, every square inch, but the tech used isn't shouted about but prolly along the lines of BMEWS.

If one of those countries did have the tech, and they did know, there are ways of incorporating that information provided into other means to share with the world, and not wait this long and spend this money.

August · 04-06-14, 06:28 PM

If tipping our technical hand was a concern then it seems to me it'd be pretty easy to fake a lucky find by the aircraft and ships we have in the area already.

CCIP · 04-06-14, 07:27 PM

Well there are some people suggesting that if - and that's a big if - this latest purported pinger signal find by the Chinese leads to the plane being found, it could be because they knew a lot more than they were letting on.

See how this one plays out I guess.

Admiral Halsey · 04-06-14, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

If tipping our technical hand was a concern then it seems to me it'd be pretty easy to fake a lucky find by the aircraft and ships we have in the area already.

Exactly. It'd be quite easy for even North Korea to do something like that.

TarJak · 04-07-14, 04:10 AM

Ocean Shield detects signals in search for MH370 http://ab.co/1sqELFP

Sounds like the best lead yet.

magic452 · 04-07-14, 04:34 AM

Sounds encouraging. If they don't find it soon it may be years before they do.

Magic

scorpiondown · 04-07-14, 08:05 AM

whether you want to believe that the US has the WHOLE world under surveillance or not is up to you....I wouldn,t bet against it after recent things have been revealed..As for the technology ,,better believe it! 1984 is here!Ask those terrorists in the middle of nowhere if they believe it..Oh sorry, they can,t answer because of that drone hellfire that atomized them! Us a cell phone and you are pin-pointed if they are looking for you..think anyone on that plane tried to use their phones?

Flamebatter90 · 04-07-14, 08:57 AM

Spotting potential bad guys in a hot zone, buzzing with drones is abit different from spotting an airliner in the middle of an ocean.

Using cellphones would have done little good as they were a) flying high up and b) in the middle of an ocean.

CCIP · 04-07-14, 09:22 AM

Again, based on what? We're talking about very different things here. And even the cellphone thing is absurd, because we all know how effective all that has been - militias in Iraq and Afghanistan are stronger than ever. Heroin and cocaine prices in the US are at an all time low, because deliveries by land, sea and air are getting through and supply is high.

But none of that matters because where's the technology? If you can actually demonstrate the type of radar or other satellite sensor capable of this kind of surveillance at the level of coverage needed to track planes in even more remote parts of the world, then we'll see.

If history teaches us anything though, capabilities of new sensor technologies have typically been over-valued in peacetime, only to be found wholly deficient during war.

Jimbuna · 04-07-14, 09:28 AM

My wish would be that the technological capability did exist and a 'lucky find' could be attributed to the planes location but I think had the aforementioned been possible then an announcement would have been made a long time ago.

scorpiondown · 04-07-14, 09:44 AM

Who knows what exists...Bin laden was tracked from the US ,not from Pakistan or Afghanistan..Put under surveillance there once he was found...I can sit at this computer as any of you can..and track any flight in real-time..I watch when friends are flying in and track the flight the whole time..there is something fishy with them claiming they don,t know the flight plan..They let out that some sort of signal is automatically sent from every plane to satellites and it is not able to disable this from the cockpit(in effect ,a tracker)..If the oceans were being monitored 50 years ago with SOSUS,,why would today be any different?
https://www.strategypage.com/dls/art...m-2-5-2011.asp BTW what is that BETBET thing in my last post??????

if this article was let out,other capabilities far beyond that are NOT being let out..Just like the US stealth fighters and bombers...If these were officially released to the press,,
that means something else has taken its place and has made that system almost obsolete...

Have to answer the "heroin" thing..Too much money involved for someone (who knows who) not to look the other way,,so many cases of cops only busting druggies after NOT getting their pay-offs..Always been that way,, will always stay that way..even during prohibition...Corruption is just doing business.

http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/techno...acoustics.html

Herr-Berbunch · 04-07-14, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpiondown

whether you want to believe that the US has the WHOLE world under surveillance or not is up to you....I wouldn,t bet against it after recent things have been revealed..As for the technology ,,better believe it! 1984 is here!Ask those terrorists in the middle of nowhere if they believe it..Oh sorry, they can,t answer because of that drone hellfire that atomized them! Us a cell phone and you are pin-pointed if they are looking for you..think anyone on that plane tried to use their phones?

Terrorists or wedding party? Seems all the same, all too often with modern technology.

mapuc · 04-07-14, 12:05 PM

^ scorpiondown, you're right some of the western countries have the technologies as you mentioned However and it is a big however.

You have to place some of these satellite over the area of where the plane went missing. What I understand USA has placed 2-3 of these satellite above following countries/area: North Korea, Syria/Iran or middle east and Ukraine/West Russia.

The area we speak of is not a political hot spot therefore no area of satellite surveillance.

Just for your information I'm talking about military spy satellite.

Markus

scorpiondown · 04-07-14, 03:16 PM

China is the reason that area would be covered with surveillance...The US is worried about China increasing it,s naval capacity...I live near Cape Canaveral and there are always classified payload launches that are only covered on the news around here so people can watch the lift-offs..What are they???only can guess..More than just a few of those satellites lurking around up there..Military has an Un-limited budget especially for security reasons..Between US base in Diego Garcia,,Antarctica and Australian assets...Indian ocean is pretty well covered i,d think..

04-06-14, 05:26 PM	#496
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	And what technology is that which can do all of these things, praytell? the difficult word there is "probably". I'd word it more as "improbably" because there's no real technological basis to make that claim. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-06-14, 05:50 PM	#497
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	I think the guy is under the assumption that the western (and southern!) world has the whole world under radar/satellite surveillance, every square inch, but the tech used isn't shouted about but prolly along the lines of BMEWS. If one of those countries did have the tech, and they did know, there are ways of incorporating that information provided into other means to share with the world, and not wait this long and spend this money. __________________

04-06-14, 06:28 PM	#498
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,221 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If tipping our technical hand was a concern then it seems to me it'd be pretty easy to fake a lucky find by the aircraft and ships we have in the area already. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

04-06-14, 07:27 PM	#499
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Well there are some people suggesting that if - and that's a big if - this latest purported pinger signal find by the Chinese leads to the plane being found, it could be because they knew a lot more than they were letting on. See how this one plays out I guess. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-07-14, 04:34 AM	#502
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Sounds encouraging. If they don't find it soon it may be years before they do. Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l

04-07-14, 04:10 AM	#501
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Ocean Shield detects signals in search for MH370 http://ab.co/1sqELFP Sounds like the best lead yet.

04-07-14, 08:05 AM	#503
scorpiondown Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: near Pittsburgh pa. and Daytona Posts: 131 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 0	whether you want to believe that the US has the WHOLE world under surveillance or not is up to you....I wouldn,t bet against it after recent things have been revealed..As for the technology ,,better believe it! 1984 is here!Ask those terrorists in the middle of nowhere if they believe it..Oh sorry, they can,t answer because of that drone hellfire that atomized them! Us a cell phone and you are pin-pointed if they are looking for you..think anyone on that plane tried to use their phones?

04-07-14, 08:57 AM	#504
Flamebatter90 Medic Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 167 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Spotting potential bad guys in a hot zone, buzzing with drones is abit different from spotting an airliner in the middle of an ocean. Using cellphones would have done little good as they were a) flying high up and b) in the middle of an ocean.

04-07-14, 09:22 AM	#505
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Again, based on what? We're talking about very different things here. And even the cellphone thing is absurd, because we all know how effective all that has been - militias in Iraq and Afghanistan are stronger than ever. Heroin and cocaine prices in the US are at an all time low, because deliveries by land, sea and air are getting through and supply is high. But none of that matters because where's the technology? If you can actually demonstrate the type of radar or other satellite sensor capable of this kind of surveillance at the level of coverage needed to track planes in even more remote parts of the world, then we'll see. If history teaches us anything though, capabilities of new sensor technologies have typically been over-valued in peacetime, only to be found wholly deficient during war. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-07-14, 09:28 AM	#506
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,788 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	My wish would be that the technological capability did exist and a 'lucky find' could be attributed to the planes location but I think had the aforementioned been possible then an announcement would have been made a long time ago. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-07-14, 09:44 AM	#507
scorpiondown Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: near Pittsburgh pa. and Daytona Posts: 131 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 0	Who knows what exists...Bin laden was tracked from the US ,not from Pakistan or Afghanistan..Put under surveillance there once he was found...I can sit at this computer as any of you can..and track any flight in real-time..I watch when friends are flying in and track the flight the whole time..there is something fishy with them claiming they don,t know the flight plan..They let out that some sort of signal is automatically sent from every plane to satellites and it is not able to disable this from the cockpit(in effect ,a tracker)..If the oceans were being monitored 50 years ago with SOSUS,,why would today be any different? https://www.strategypage.com/dls/art...m-2-5-2011.asp BTW what is that BETBET thing in my last post?????? if this article was let out,other capabilities far beyond that are NOT being let out..Just like the US stealth fighters and bombers...If these were officially released to the press,, that means something else has taken its place and has made that system almost obsolete... Have to answer the "heroin" thing..Too much money involved for someone (who knows who) not to look the other way,,so many cases of cops only busting druggies after NOT getting their pay-offs..Always been that way,, will always stay that way..even during prohibition...Corruption is just doing business. http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/techno...acoustics.html Last edited by scorpiondown; 04-07-14 at 10:02 AM.

04-07-14, 12:05 PM	#509
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,545 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ scorpiondown, you're right some of the western countries have the technologies as you mentioned However and it is a big however. You have to place some of these satellite over the area of where the plane went missing. What I understand USA has placed 2-3 of these satellite above following countries/area: North Korea, Syria/Iran or middle east and Ukraine/West Russia. The area we speak of is not a political hot spot therefore no area of satellite surveillance. Just for your information I'm talking about military spy satellite. Markus

04-07-14, 03:16 PM	#510
scorpiondown Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: near Pittsburgh pa. and Daytona Posts: 131 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 0	China is the reason that area would be covered with surveillance...The US is worried about China increasing it,s naval capacity...I live near Cape Canaveral and there are always classified payload launches that are only covered on the news around here so people can watch the lift-offs..What are they???only can guess..More than just a few of those satellites lurking around up there..Military has an Un-limited budget especially for security reasons..Between US base in Diego Garcia,,Antarctica and Australian assets...Indian ocean is pretty well covered i,d think..