Obama’s Path From Critic to Overseer of Spying

I like Mark Mardells' summary of the speech on the BBC.

Basically there's a lot of stuff he now says the NSA shouldn't do. Unless they think they ought to.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I don't buy that. I think any one with common sense knows a lot is going on behind the scenes and pretty much what is going on, most us average types can figure that much. I think he preached a hard party line to get in office and knew he would play the game in office. It's pure politics, say one thing, do another. We all knew Bush was doing a lot of spying and why he was, but the fact is Obama expanded it more to spy on Americans than the enemy.

Possibly or possibly you sometimes see only end results of things you are not aware of.
There also things better not decided upon on speculations but rather with all the info you might get.

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

If you like your Privacy you can keep it.

Unless we think you don't deserve it.

Let's make government bigger with overseers for the overseers.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Unless we think you don't deserve it.

Let's make government bigger with overseers for the overseers.

Personally, I didn't even bother to listen to Obama. There really is no point. You know when he's lying if his lips are moving.

I was however, watching user commentary on the major news sources following his speech and thankfully, it doesn't look like too many are being fooled by the Liar N Chief anymore. Maybe there's hope yet for this nation.

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Personally, I didn't even bother to listen to Obama. There really is no point. You know when he's lying if his lips are moving.

I was however, watching user commentary on the major news sources following his speech and thankfully, it doesn't look like too many are being fooled by the Liar N Chief anymore. Maybe there's hope yet for this nation.

It makes you thankful that presidents are limited to two terms.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

It makes you thankful that presidents are limited to two terms.

And this makes a difference, how?

Originally Posted by Oberon

And this makes a difference, how?

It makes the difference of them not caring about anything
relating to re election during their second term.
In the first term they have to maintain the pretence of doing good stuff, or just hope that their opponents run a complete muppet as a candidate

[Dread Knot]

Looking at his rather morose demeanor, I do wonder if our current president doesn't have a calendar tucked away in some back office of the White house, where he's frantically marking off the days until he's free at last to pursue a more lucrative and less stressful career, play golf and bask in the Hawaiian sun.

To enjoy the job of being an American president anymore, it seems you either have to be a political masochist or have an acute Messiah complex. Neither portends well for the future.

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

There's a whole litany of things he said in the past, and then did the exact opposite later. If one is bored, look around youtube, it's well documented on video. After all the reversals, i have come to the reasonable (yes reasonable) conclusion that If Obama says one thing, expect a high likelihood of the opposite of what he said to happen.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Personally, I didn't even bother to listen to Obama. There really is no point. You know when he's lying if his lips are moving.

A fair and reasonable assessment of the situation, one that I share.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

It makes the difference of them not caring about anything
relating to re election during their second term.
In the first term they have to maintain the pretence of doing good stuff, or just hope that their opponents run a complete muppet as a candidate

That's true, but the overall mood of the posting seems to indicate that some people are under the impression that come 2016 things will change. I think they may be in for a disappointment no matter who wins.

Originally Posted by Oberon

That's true, but the overall mood of the posting seems to indicate that some people are under the impression that come 2016 things will change. I think they may be in for a disappointment no matter who wins.

Well that's just the latest dose of a recurring fantasy hopey changey election situation some people already got sold in '12 and '08, though of course they only followed on from those of the election before that, who followed on from the election before, who followed on.....

But this time it is going to be different, honestly, I heard it from a politician

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Personally, I didn't even bother to listen to Obama. There really is no point. You know when he's lying if his lips are moving.

An old joke usually used to refer to all politicians, and all lawyers. Considered funny because of its truth.

Originally Posted by Wolferz

It makes you thankful that presidents are limited to two terms.

Originally Posted by Oberon

And this makes a difference, how?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

It makes the difference of them not caring about anything
relating to re election during their second term.

Actually it makes a difference because the time in which we have to listen to his horrible lies is limited. All to soon we can elect someone who claims to be completely different, so we can listen to his horrible lies for awhile.

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

To enjoy the job of being an American president anymore, it seems you either have to be a political masochist or have an acute Messiah complex. Neither portends well for the future.

That's nothing new. It's my understanding that most ex-presidents have said they wouldn't wish the job on their worst enemy.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Actually it makes a difference because the time in which we have to listen to his horrible lies is limited. All to soon we can elect someone who claims to be completely different, so we can listen to his horrible lies for awhile.

I stand corrected.

I do ponder though, Skybirdian daydreams aside, what the solution for modern politics could be, a realistic and plausible one, not the usual kneejerk 'hang them all' or 'ban them if they say they want to be a politician'.
And furthermore, who is to blame? The politicians for saying what they think we want to hear, or us for only wanting to hear what we want to hear?

[Wolferz]

Let us sit and talk of cabbages and kings.

At least something good can be made of a cabbage.

[Catfish]

The potus really has to stop those ridiculous speeches of reforming the National Socialists of America, if not they will be dieing of laughter.