Phil Robertson the DUCK

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

Not a fan of the show...mainly because it's too staged and too political.

However, I am a fan of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Therefore, a fan of free speech.

Also, personally, I'm honest and I speak my mind. I think more people should be that way. We'd get a lot of problems solved quicker than how it is now.

Not because I like the show....but because of the 1st Amendment...bring him back.

If they want to teach tolerance, teach tolerance for all points of view and not just the gay point of view.

Has nothing to do with freedom of speech, he signed contracts to make money and agreed his speech would be limited or he could lose the show. All reality stars sign such...I have no problem with his views, but he's a hypocrite...

Yea, he was rich before the show, about 15 million...but before the show they sold about 60,000 calls a year, now about 700,000 a year..

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Has nothing to do with freedom of speech, he signed contracts to make money and agreed his speech would be limited or he could lose the show. All reality stars sign such...I have no problem with his views, but he's a hypocrite...

Yea, he was rich before the show, about 15 million...but before the show they sold about 60,000 calls a year, now about 700,000 a year..

A great business decision in my book.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Has nothing to do with freedom of speech, he signed contracts to make money and agreed his speech would be limited or he could lose the show. All reality stars sign such...

I'd be particularly interested in your documentation of this...

[Ducimus]

I just can't be bothered to watch any reality show, let alone a reality show about southerner stereotypes that make duck calls. I think i watched half of one episode for some unfathonable reason and haven't watched it since.

The way i see it, you put stereotypes on camera, WTF do you expect? So I don't see where the uproar comes from. I mean, people really watch this crap to begin with?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I just can't be bothered to watch any reality show, let alone a reality show about southerner stereotypes that make duck calls. I think i watched half of one episode for some unfathonable reason and haven't watched it since.

The way i see it, you put stereotypes on camera, WTF do you expect? So I don't see where the uproar comes from. I mean, people really watch this crap to begin with?

I watch the program for 20 minutes a few months ago. Not my cup of tea for entertainment. I'm not sure what is the driving force for the millions viewing each week. The program is a cash cow for A&E. The content of what Phil had said has little to do with the issue at hand.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

Not a fan of the show...mainly because it's too staged and too political.

However, I am a fan of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Therefore, a fan of free speech.

Also, personally, I'm honest and I speak my mind. I think more people should be that way. We'd get a lot of problems solved quicker than how it is now.

Not because I like the show....but because of the 1st Amendment...bring him back.

If they want to teach tolerance, teach tolerance for all points of view and not just the gay point of view.

The first amendment protects you against the government limiting your speech. A private entity such as A&E networks doesn't have to respect your speech or give you a platform.

When a redneck who is so religious that he ends every show with a prayer says redneck things that a very religious person would say, I don't see why this is a shock. So those who are outraged should shut up. And A&E can do whatever they want with a show they own, so those who are outraged that he was canned should shut up too.

In short, everyone everywhere should shut up. Simple.

[AVGWarhawk]

In short, everyone everywhere should shut up. Simple.

Originally Posted by Armistead

I find him a hypocrite...First, he signs with A&E partly owned by Disney and ABC, both support gay rights...Second, he signed both a show contract and an entertainment contract which would clearly shun him from such statements...simply, he failed to do as he said he would.. I've never seen the show, but Fox news seems to be making him a hero, along with the Christian right...he certainly isn't a hero and his free speech was bigoted and racist..
My guess is like the fake reality show this is a mere scripted ploy by him to gain more attention and wealth..which is a smart move on his part.

well you certainly have a right to your opinion and so does phil.

phil is an ordained minister and he was asked about his religious beliefs and how he felt about the lack of morals in todays society.

phil stated his religious beliefs on the subject and there is no contract with A&E that say he has to lie or refuse to answer a question about them.

news flash: WOW a minister of god believes in what the bible says is right or wrong, who would have ever thought that would happen?

a minister will believe in the bible and what is written in it so why is this a surprise to anyone? ask any representative of the church anywhere about gods teachings and they will also tell you being gay is a sin and wrong.

he also said he loves all people and prays for everyone to go to heaven. he stated he believes gays have a right to believe what they do is ok and that its not his place to judge anyone, its up to god to sort it all out in the end.

he was asked what he thought were the worst sins possible and he listed gay, beastiality, adultery, and incest because those are the worst sins according to the good book. he follows that up by saying he loves all people good or bad because gods teachings say we should all love one another and not judge.

plain and simple he was asked and answered about HIS idea of what is right or wrong and he answered the exact same way any minister would, he never condemned or disparaged anyone by stating only what he phil Robertson, believes.

I think those who have an issue with this need to protest the bible since THAT is what they have an issue with. if they ever read the bible they would see it has a lot more harsher views on gays then phils version of what it says.

the liberal left and its minions are so upset that a show about good moral family values and based on god fearing bible based beliefs is so popular that they are looking for any excuse they can find to shut the show down. the last thing they want is for America to think about family values and teaching kids right from wrong because they want god out of our lives and off of tv altogether.

if you bother to read what he actually did say instead of what they say he said then you will see how distorted and ridiculous their claims are that he somehow said anything wrong about gays.

now his comments about blacks being happy picking cotton and all that I think are just grossly naïve at best and while I wont call it racist I will say those views are wrong and come from a time of racial inequity and backwards thinking just like paula dean. he was looking at it from a stand point of times were tough back then and how much harder it was on blacks after they were freed trying to find work and shelter and support their families and that "some" who had better living conditions as slaves were worse off being free at that time trying to make a living. he wasn't talking about if slavery was good or bad, he was only talking about the living conditions that they had to deal with.

I said my peace and im done now, moving on

As an Ordained Minister?
I don't agree with what he said.
I will fight to the death to defend his right to speak freely.

[Penguin]

Besides what Armistead already said in post 16, the other big hypocrite to me is Fox. If they whine so much about the shows cancellation, they can certainly take the guy under their wings and broadcast a show with him on their own network.

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

I'd be particularly interested in your documentation of this...

Here's a contract from a reality show on MTV: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...act.php?page=2

However many "normal" employee contracts often also have a clause among the lines of damaging your employer's reputation in public, or something similar.

Originally Posted by Webster

a minister will believe in the bible and what is written in it so why is this a surprise to anyone?

The bible also states that men should wear short hair(1 Corinthians 11:14). I am sure that altering his signature hairstyle would also be seen as a breach of his work contract.

[mookiemookie]

And the con is complete. The publicity stunt found its suckers and oh, surprise, surprise, he's back on the show:

http://www.today.com/entertainment/d...ays-2D11812709

[Buddahaid]

What show? Oh you mean that pimple on the nose of quality entertainment.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

And the con is complete. The publicity stunt found its suckers and oh, surprise, surprise, he's back on the show:

http://www.today.com/entertainment/d...ays-2D11812709

My thoughts exactly.

The bible also states that men should wear short hair(1 Corinthians 11:14). I am sure that altering his signature hairstyle would also be seen as a breach of his work contract.

I had a Russian Orthodox priests tell me the exact opposite, and he pointed it out to me in the Bible (somewhere in the OT). Whatever.

[Tchocky]

Lots of people confusing the right to free speech with the non-existent right to be paid for said speech

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Lots of people confusing the right to free speech with the non-existent right to be paid for said speech

yep, and lots of people confusing answering a direct question about what you think is a sin and what your individual religious beliefs are, with someone going out and releasing an unsolicited statement to the general public to denounce a lifestyle you don't like.

the former is someone honestly answering a question about their own religious beliefs, the later is what someone would do if they wanted to impose those beliefs on others. the former is what happened but the latter is what most people falsely believe happened.

its about a persons right to express his own religious beliefs without fear of persecution for doing so, which is exactly what they are doing to phil because he believes in god and morality.

its about freedom from persecution for expressing your religious beliefs, not free speech