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[Oberon]

ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!!

[Cybermat47]

^^^

Lion + Snake = Love

And Snions.

[Tango589]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

^^^

Lion + Snake = Love

And Snions.

Either Snions or Lakes...

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by MGR1

Your not getting rid of us that easily, Jim!

Pretty much everyone I know is voting NO due to the fact that the SNP can't find it's backside with a map on policy where independence is concerned.

To much wishful thinking in it's "White Paper" for most people's liking.

We want hard, solid facts, not rhetoric. And we aren't getting hard, solid facts in any way.....

Mind you, the YES campaign isn't doing a great job either. I think that's mainly due to Alistair Darling's patronising manner.

Mike.

I fully agree but what is of concern in my way of thinking is the fact the SNP have achieved one goal already....allowing sixteen year olds and above to vote. They know full well they can convince a younger population who have been spoon fed the SNP diatribe since their ability to take notice of anything regarding current affairs.

Reverse the situation...spoon feed sixteen year old Brits an anti Scottish argument for three years or more then have a vote. The Union wouldn't have a chance of maintaining its current form.

I hope the vote for independance falls but should it not, Scotland or should I say mad Alex and his gang, have a reality check coming soon after regarding taxation, jobs, currency, defence, national debt and membership of NATO and the EU etc. etc.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Oberon

ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!!

The lion and serpent rampant/entwined with birds o'paradise a' twitter on a field noir sumounting the cross of St George on a field azure with the Crown imperial surmounting all(in bed of lettuce?)! Ever the Escutcheoner you ol' time Herald!

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I fully agree but what is of concern in my way of thinking is the fact the SNP have achieved one goal already....allowing sixteen year olds and above to vote. They know full well they can convince a younger population who have been spoon fed the SNP diatribe since their ability to take notice of anything regarding current affairs.

Reverse the situation...spoon feed sixteen year old Brits an anti Scottish argument for three years or more then have a vote. The Union wouldn't have a chance of maintaining its current form.

I hope the vote for independance falls but should it not, Scotland or should I say mad Alex and his gang, have a reality check coming soon after regarding taxation, jobs, currency, defence, national debt and membership of NATO and the EU etc. etc.

Maybe a bit pessimistic, Jim. One story that's doing the rounds up here is that because of social media, teenage Scots feel more British than Scottish:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-Internet.html

There's also a deep skepticism about the SNP's policies in that age group as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/24140752

However, even if the SNP lose the vote, which is extremely likely, I can't really see Scottish Labour getting back in at the next election for the Scottish Parliament.

It's current leader, Johann Lamont can only be decribed as a complete pleb.

This article's a diatribe, but if you get past the guff it sums up Lamont perfectly:

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index...tish-sentiment

She's a non-entity who's no match for Salmond and the same goes for the leaders of the other parties. They just don't have the experience or political nuance to ride herd on him.

I personally think that devolution in the UK is one sided. Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have their own legislative assemblies.

What does England have?

Nothing of it's own - it has to share Westminster with the other three.

This means that non-English MP's can vote on English affairs that the English MP's can't vote on in the other three countries - healthcare, schools etc. Labour is arguably the worst offender as it has a substantial number of non-English MP's.

What this country needs is proper devolution for all and that means an English Parliament for English affairs. Rebuild Westminster as proper a proper federal body, similar to what Australia and Canada have.

Devolution is working for Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland.

It's about time England had it as well.

What say the English?

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by MGR1

What say the English?

Mike.

"FIRE AT WILL"

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by MGR1

I personally think that devolution in the UK is one sided. Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have their own legislative assemblies.

What does England have?

Nothing of it's own - it has to share Westminster with the other three.

I just wonder how long it will take for a future independent Scotland to find itself in a similar situation, with the islands and highlands complaining Holyrood is all about Edinburgh and Glasgow, and demanding its own parliament.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by MGR1

It's about time England had it as well.

What say the English?

How do I vote for you?

[mapuc]

In 1989 Denmark had a referendum, where the Danish people were asked if Denmark should be a part of the Eu internal market. The Danish people voted no.

Somehow the Danish Parliament couldn't respect this, so they negotiated a new deal with EU. Denmark got 4 reservations.

In 1993 Denmark had a new referendum about the same, but this time, without this four reservations

The Danish people voted yes this time(guessed it was 53 % that said yes)

There was a hardcore groups of anti-EU people in Denmark, they couldn't take this "yes" so they went on the street and started to destroy things

This demonstration evolved into pure street fighting between the protesters and the police. For the first time since the second world war, The Danish police, was forced to draw weapons and shoot at civilians in order to protect the victim and themselves.

Why I wrote this?

I hope that it will not go so far in Scotland, if it will be a yes or a no

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