Subsim front page article that pissed me off

[areo16]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4320031.html

Nazi Submarine Torpedoed During WWII Likely Found With Crew's Remains (PHOTOS)





Have some respect please. Not all kriegsmarine sailors were nazis, and most of them were not. Even so, you've just labeled the whole german submarine crew anti-semantic fanatic.



Have some respect for the dead comrade who died for something he believed in, his country. For God's sake.

Well it was a Nazi Sub as it was a German Sub.
At that time all Subs belonging to the Germans were NAZI Subs!
Don't mean the Men onboard were Nazi's.
You need to read between the headlines.
Nazi draws more readers then WWII sub found.

[Cybermat47]

Perhaps you should take that issue up with the people who wrote the article, not the person who copy and pasted it

[areo16]

Originally Posted by privateer

Well it was a Nazi Sub as it was a German Sub.
At that time all Subs belonging to the Germans were NAZI Subs!

Nazis and Germans aren't the same thing. Not all Nazis were German and not all Germans were Nazis.

I understand where your coming from that the label stuck even though it isnt politically correct. Just because the government was national socialist doesn't mean the military should be labeled as such. Just because the US has a Democrat in office does that mean we should call all our troops Democrats or Dems?

Originally Posted by privateer

Don't mean the Men onboard were Nazi's.
You need to read between the headlines.
Nazi draws more readers then WWII sub found.

It certainly grabbed my attention, because its disrespectful I think to the German veterans. Most were fighting for their nation, and because they were proud to be German. Others probably fought because they had no choice but to.

[Herr-Berbunch]

The title is copied verbatim from the one the Huffington Post used, as are all news articles. If you don't like it complain to the originator.

You and I both know not all the guys on a U-boat were nazis, not all the service personnel were Nazis, not all Germans were Nazis (and nor are they now!) - here you are preaching to the choir. Take it to your politicians and journalists to not sensationalize/stereotype and you'll be onto a winner for sure.

[areo16]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Perhaps you should take that issue up with the people who wrote the article, not the person who copy and pasted it

I think both have a bit of the responsibility involved. The writer of the article has more, but the reposter has some too. Don't just blindly repost things.

[areo16]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

The title is copied verbatim from the one the Huffington Post used, as are all news articles. If you don't like it complain to the originator.

You and I both know not all the guys on a U-boat were nazis, not all the service personnel were Nazis, not all Germans were Nazis (and nor are they now!) - here you are preaching to the choir. Take it to your politicians and journalists to not sensationalize/stereotype and you'll be onto a winner for sure.

Its coming. There will be a media evolution with it soon. Too soon yet? Not sure, many ww2 vets have already passed, so the time may be now.

I don't know who died on that U-boat.
They may or may not have been Nazi Party.
What I do know.
It was a Nazi U-Boat.
It was sunk.
It was found.
Everyone on that U-Boat is dead for a long time now.
They were found and now a proper place as to where they rest is known.

I salute them for doing thier Duty no matter what they believed in at that moment in time.

Maybe some were Nazi. They died for what they believed in.

I can only hope I am remembered in such a way.

We had the same discussion a few years ago when another "Nazi vessel" was found. I am not too happy with this term as it is just to attract readers, a cheap marketing strategy so to say, but I also believe you take all of this a little...too serious?

I am German, so one could think I take articles like that more personal but even I can see that the article is clearly talking about the vessel, the u-boat and not the sailors. Otherwise it would have used crappy labels like "Nazi crew" or whatever...

Well, as I said... you might take all of that a little too serious...

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by areo16

Just because the US has a Democrat in office does that mean we should call all our troops Democrats or Dems?

Well if the Democrats outlawed all other parties as Hitler did in 1933, if the Democrats made their party symbols the official symbols of the country, and if the government was run entirely by the Democrats, then yes you could make that comparison.

But since the Nazi party was the ruling party of the time, to the exclusion of all others, it is fair to call it a Nazi submarine.

[Schroeder]

While I as a German find the title disrespectful as well I think this labelling goes all the way back to WWII were it was common place to label German equipment and troops as Nazi >insert equipment or soldier here<.
I've stopped being angry about it, I think it's just tradition to call German WWII stuff Nazi-something and I'm not even sure the non Germans even think much about it.

Originally Posted by privateer

They may or may not have been Nazi Party.

Even that wouldn't proof anything. People got bullied into joining the party. My great grandfather for example had several children and was beyond a certain age. Both would have protected him from being drafted yet he was explicitly told by authorities that he would be drafted if he continued to refuse to join the Nazi party. Now with children at home and the outlook of an assignment at the eastern front how would most people decide?
He actually still refused and was drafted to the eastern front (becoming a "Nazi soldier") but I would not have held it against him if he had just signed that piece of paper instead considering what was at stake.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

He actually still refused and was drafted to the eastern front (becoming a "Nazi soldier") but I would not have held it against him if he had just signed that piece of paper instead considering what was at stake.

Good on him for sticking to his principles.

I hope he survived.

I don't care what the crew believed or what party they belonged to for whatever reason.
They died on that day.

They are gone. Pining for the fjords or whatever.

They EARNED our respects as Service Members who died in Combat.

I salute those brave men!

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Good on him for sticking to his principles.

I hope he survived.

Yes, just to die horribly from lung cancer a few years later because of the garbage they smoked when real tobacco became rare.

[areo16]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Well if the Democrats outlawed all other parties as Hitler did in 1933, if the Democrats made their party symbols the official symbols of the country, and if the government was run entirely by the Democrats, then yes you could make that comparison.

But since the Nazi party was the ruling party of the time, to the exclusion of all others, it is fair to call it a Nazi submarine.

The submarine is a machine, it does not decide on what political ideology it is. It's not a living thing. The submarine was military equipment, it was not a party standard or a nazi flag. The submarine is not Nazi, it is German Kreigsmarine.