The Coup D'etat of November 1963

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by TarJak

In order to believe in a JFK conspiracy, we'd probably also have to believe that every member of the Warren Commission panel was up to no good, with all of these guys rigging the Warren Report to paint Lee Oswald as a sole assassin (and the lone killer of Dallas city policeman J.D. Tippit as well).

And in such a "conspiracy mindset", it would also almost assuredly mean that many, many members of the House Select Committee On Assassinations in the late 1970s were also no-good, lying SOBs too -- because that committee came to the same basic conclusion that the Warren boys did in 1964, when it came down to the question of: "How Many Bullets Struck the victims; With the answer being:
only 2 shots hit any of the victims in the President's limousine; & both of those bullets came from behind the vehicle. The physical evidence backs that up regardless of what you think you know.

Good points even bubblehead would have to yield to this wisdom. How many people would have to be in on the conspiracy in the last 50 years is mind boggling.

Someone would've left the truth in their will to be released upon their death by now, if there was a cover up that is.

I noticed that in all these years no one has included the "G" word on who to blame. The "G" word being God almighty of course.

Lets see now he and his brother (who was also assassinated) both shared the same woman Marilyn Monroe. That's called adultery with the reported fact of Marilyn calling the white house and informing Jackie that she was going to be the next first lady.

It has been reported that both JFK and Jackie used drugs while in the White House, not just little pills either. When someone told JFK this was wrong he responded with, "I don't care what it takes to get rid of this pain"

Did you know that as much as he deserved it that the president of South Vietnam had an order signed by President JFK to take him out (reads kill him) just two weeks before he himself was assassinated?

Did you know that Jack Ruby said right before he died that it was bigger than anything you can imagine, referring to why and how he killed Oswald?

I know many will think this was an organized crime connection due to Jack owning a strip club, but I think it had something to do with voices and voices can be deceiving with the person hearing them thinking it is God, but is really the devil.

Not to mention the Russian connection of Oswald visiting Russia, not to mention that Cuba has been our enemy ever since the Bay of Pigs ... through how many administration? Perhaps after Castro dies the state department will issue any hidden documents pertaining to that period of time.

Until then I would not discount the fact that God has in the past changed history and could very well be the one to blame, but then again how can you blame God for doing anything wrong?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Look at his head, it is not intact

But the back is indeed intact. The damage is all on the right side.

[mapuc]

Every time I hear about JFK and every time I read a book or see a documentary about the assassin in Dallas I which we had the opportunity to time travel

Not to prevent the killing, but to see who did it and where they were when he/she or they shot Kennedy.

It's 50 years ago, so many of my cable channels are showing documentaries about Kennedy and the event in Dallas.

I had to program my box to record 3 program that starts at almost same time

Back to Lee

As mentioned in the movie JFK, in some of the books I have read(in Swedish) the author say almost the same thing. WHY!? Didn't lee shot in the forehead, when he was dring down the Houston Street? Why wait until the President had turned left and drove down Elm street.

Here's something that I only have from two movies JFK and executive action and from a book(which I forgot the title of) here it is said that the route was scheduled to follow Houston street to the end, but in the last minute they change the route so the turned left down Elm street.

I can't get any confirmation on that.

If it's true, the suspect(s) that could have killed Kennedy have decreased, How would have this information?? Lee? The Mafia??

If he was shot from the right, left, front, back, under or over is not of my interest, my interest is who did it and why.

Markus

[vienna]

Someone would've left the truth in their will to be released upon their death by now, if there was a cover up that is.

There was a 'deathbed confession' recorded by E. Howard Hunt, one of the Nixon Watergate era "plumbers" where he states there was a conspiracy, of sorts, and he, Hunt, was involved in the assassination along with several others he names. The tape does exist and is rather widely available. However, there has been controversy over the recording, not that it is not the voice of Hunt or that it is a false recording, but rather the manner and conditions in which it was recorded and the intent of the recorders (Hunt's two sons). There have also been alleged other 'confessions' by other individuals, but those are even more dodgy than the Hunt recordings...


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[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But the back is indeed intact. The damage is all on the right side.

And there's a 6mm entry wound in the back of his head.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I have considered that but feel that JFK would have been killed before he made it to the oval office if that were true.The mafia was pretty sore at JFK and RFK and believe they were involved, can't deny Ruby's mafia connections nor some others.I believe the shooters were most likely mafia hitmen, mafia may have been contracted to carry out the hit.The movie JFK suggested they were likely flown in for the job, then quickly led out of the country.Mafia still had a solid and strong code of silence back in those days.They helped JFK get elected and were angry about him making RFK Attorney General and letting him go after the Mafia.

RFK's murder was much less "messy", they had a crazed nut do it, it was captured on live TV, could see it was one shooter, but have no doubt there was more to it.The establishment feared RFK, especially that if elected he would pursue a real investigation of his brother's murder, enact many of same policies.People just hate to imagine there are so many shadowy things going on in our country, but it happens.

Here's another one for you Bubblehead.

His wife, Mrs Jacqueline Kennedy .

Kennedy had so many sidestep, that Bill Clinton would look like a real nice man. Kennedy used the Secret Service as some kind of transport to take young woman to and from the White House. She knew about this.

(Personally I think this is not her she's is what I would call "a very low suspect")

Markus

[mapuc]

Here's another thing, to think about

During his three days visit to Texas, the killer or killers had so many opportunity to get John F Kennedy, why wait until he was in Dallas??

Markus

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Here's another thing, to think about

During his three days visit to Texas, the killer or killers had so many opportunity to get John F Kennedy, why wait until he was in Dallas??

Markus

Exactly. Why the complicated public opportunity to kill Kennedy?

I've found it interesting how various tales come into and out of vogue over the years, some disappearing and some staying alive in spite of being debunked over and over again. Whenever a new proposal is proffered, it is always interesting to ask whether it actually solves anything or whether it actually less likely to occur than the scenario it supposedly supplants.

For example, it has been said that no one could have made the shots from the sixth floor window, and this is a "problem" for the single-assassin view. Since it is universally agreed that SOMEBODY was shooting from SOMEWHERE, where did the shots actually come from? What have been put forth as "solutions" are that there were one or more other shooters who were further away than Oswald, who had less visibility of the target, who had less time to fire, and who had far trickier shots to make. Since it has also been suggested that the goal was to frame Oswald and make him take the blame for the true assassins' crimes, these shooters would have to know in advance that they would not be seen at any time before, during or after the shooting, and that none of their bullets would ever be recovered in an examinable condition.

In other words, it was proposed that the "problem" was "solved" by a "solution" that brought more complexities than the original problem ever had. (And it turns out that the "problem" was not much of a problem in the first place; a trained shooter of Oswald's skill could have done the shooting from the window in question.)

The eternal paradox with many conspiracy theories. Their explanation is often much more complex, unlikely and full of holes than the explanation they wish to supplant.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by mapuc

As mentioned in the movie JFK, in some of the books I have read(in Swedish) the author say almost the same thing. WHY!? Didn't lee shot in the forehead, when he was dring down the Houston Street? Why wait until the President had turned left and drove down Elm street.

That dovetails with the complaint by the conspiracy theorists that Oswald sat casually at lunch not looking nervous at all. He might not have gotten back up to his position until the motorcade was already on the way.

Here's something that I only have from two movies JFK and executive action and from a book(which I forgot the title of) here it is said that the route was scheduled to follow Houston street to the end, but in the last minute they change the route so the turned left down Elm street.

I can't get any confirmation on that.

I've already pointed to the explanation of that. The route was not changed. They always planned to go down Elm Street. Go back and read post #36.

Bubblehead still hasn't answered that one.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That dovetails with the complaint by the conspiracy theorists that Oswald sat casually at lunch not looking nervous at all. He might not have gotten back up to his position until the motorcade was already on the way.


I've already pointed to the explanation of that. The route was not changed. They always planned to go down Elm Street. Go back and read post #36.

Bubblehead still hasn't answered that one.

Thank you and sorry for having forgot all about that( have so much in my head I forget things)

Markus

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by mapuc

( have so much in my head I forget things)

I know the feeling.

[mapuc]

Either it's him or him or them a.s.o

Almost every one have an idea of who could have done it.

Could have missed it, so far I haven't seen or heard some one mention the probability that they could have worked together

Markus

[vienna]

I know the feeling.

I think I know the feeling, but I'm not sure if I remember...


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[eddie]

Interesting..........

[Schroeder]

Isn't that the same stuff they accuse Obama nowadays of?