Top ten Politicians you admire and loathe the most...

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Sure, some of them start out as white hats but soon get indoctrinated into the good ol' boys club where if you ain't with them. YOU AIN'T

I loathe all and admire none because the majority of them start out as lawyers.

We all know that there is no such thing as an honest lawyer.

Q: What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of ( insert favorite river here )

A: A real good start.

Well everyone hates lawyers until they really need one.I agree, some make my chosen profession look bad, but like cops, are a necessary evil in many cases.Do the job properly, a lawyer is a pretty noble position.Perhaps I am idealistic about it, but that is how I feel.Cops are same way, fairly noble job, if conducted properly.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well everyone hates lawyers until they really need one.I agree, some make my chosen profession look bad, but like cops, are a necessary evil in many cases.Do the job properly, a lawyer is a pretty noble position.Perhaps I am idealistic about it, but that is how I feel.Cops are same way, fairly noble job, if conducted properly.

Hardly an equal comparison.

A good cop/law enforcement has an altruistic mind set and places themselves in a situation where they have to deal with the lowest of society they help people who can not get help anywhere else, they have to see things that most people do not want to see and deal with all that is bad in society.All of this and they will never make much money even though they work twice as hard as and take many times more risk in performing their job than a lawyer does.

[Oberon]

Cabinet Secretary Humphrey Appleby for the win.

Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?

Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely?

Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We 'had' to break the whole thing [the EEC] up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.

Hacker: But surely we're all committed to the European ideal?

Sir Humphrey: [chuckles] Really, Minister.

Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?

Sir Humphrey: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact; the more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.

Hacker: What appalling cynicism.

Sir Humphrey: Yes... We call it diplomacy, Minister.

[TarJak]

But of course Sir Humphrey Appleby was the ultimate anti politician civil servant and definitely not a politician.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by TarJak

But of course Sir Humphrey Appleby was the ultimate anti politician civil servant and definitely not a politician.

I know, I know...but the opportunity was too good to pass up, and if I had to think too hard at this time of the day then I might actually end up giving a serious answer, and that wouldn't be a good thing at all.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Hardly an equal comparison.

A good cop/law enforcement has an altruistic mind set and places themselves in a situation where they have to deal with the lowest of society they help people who can not get help anywhere else, they have to see things that most people do not want to see and deal with all that is bad in society.All of this and they will never make much money even though they work twice as hard as and take many times more risk in performing their job than a lawyer does.

hmm a cop, who works for the government and sole job is to cite or arrest someone who has broken the law, often arbitrary, needless laws.A para military culture that does not value constitutional rights and treats every citizen as guilty until proven innocent.The long list of abuses are not just the few.Yes, there are good cops who try to do right, but they are few and far between and will do what they are told most of the time, under the guise of "just doing their job"

A lawyer's job is to uphold the right's of citizens.The criminal defense attorney defends citizens from being fined, imprisoned, and in some cases murdered(executed) by the government.The civil attorney protects your rights in many ways, from making sure if you are injured etc due to someone's negligence etc you have a way to minimize the damage.They protect you from baseless slander. Some lawyers are scumbags sure, good and bad in both professions but in general, removing the people from and just talking about which is a more noble profession? Lawyer wins hands down. There is a reason many of the founders were lawyers.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

hmm a cop, who works for the government and sole job is to cite or arrest someone who has broken the law, often arbitrary, needless laws.A para military culture that does not value constitutional rights and treats every citizen as guilty until proven innocent.The long list of abuses are not just the few.Yes, there are good cops who try to do right, but they are few and far between and will do what they are told most of the time, under the guise of "just doing their job"

A lawyer's job is to uphold the right's of citizens.The criminal defense attorney defends citizens from being fined, imprisoned, and in some cases murdered(executed) by the government.The civil attorney protects your rights in many ways, from making sure if you are injured etc due to someone's negligence etc you have a way to minimize the damage.They protect you from baseless slander. Some lawyers are scumbags sure, good and bad in both professions but in general, removing the people from and just talking about which is a more noble profession? Lawyer wins hands down. There is a reason many of the founders were lawyers.

I agree with Tarjak on this one on one hand you compare a good lawyer to a good cop.then you sit and say how horrible must cops are and how great most lawyers must be.

I have great confidence if a poll where taken and the question what profession do you most dislike lawyer would be at the top and law enforcement would be far from the top.

I am fully aware of what lawyers do and the different kinds of law.Interesting that you completely ignored an entire facet of law.

The founding fathers that where lawyers would be very disgusted if they saw how the current legal system works.

Also only 25 of the 56 signers of the Deceleration of Independence where lawyers and of the 55 framers of the Constitution 32 where lawyers so there was no massive majority of lawyers as you imply using the term many.(a large number of)

Jefferson one of your most admired was only a lawyer for five years.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I agree with Tarjak on this one on one hand you compare a good lawyer to a good cop.then you sit and say how horrible must cops are and how great most lawyers must be.

I have great confidence if a poll where taken and the question what profession do you most dislike lawyer would be at the top and law enforcement would be far from the top.

The founding fathers that where lawyers would be very disgusted if they saw how the current legal system works.

Also only 25 of the 55 signers of the Deceleration of Independence where lawyers and of the 55 framers of the Constitution 32 where lawyers so actually the majority of the founders where not in fact lawyers.

Jefferson one of your most admired was only a lawyer for five years.

Why Washington is so screwed and crooked, lawyers posing as politicians..

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Why Washington is so screwed and crooked, lawyers posing as politicians..

You pulled ninja on my post I typoed "56" and added a little.

Besides that the founding fathers especially the famous ones that where lawyers also happen to be men of many interests and professions not just law.Law is not the only way to negotiate nor is it the only way to create laws in a nation.

Notice that in order to be a elected to congress heck even the most powerful seat in the nation being a lawyer is not a requirement.Lawyers are not the end all be alls that Bubblehead1980 makes them out to be.

I hope he gets better at convincing people or making them have doubt or that he is better in real life than he is on this forum as based on what we have to see he seems rather poor at making a convincing argument.I am sure that he thinks that I dislike him because I am some liberal bleed heart which is pretty far from the truth.

One can be noble and have any trade it is not the trade that makes a person noble it is their actions.To say that a specific job is some how more noble than another is beside the point.

I would argue that the most noble person is one who teaches others be they a school teacher or a drill instructor by teaching/training a person they are spreading knowledge now that is noble.