Another Science Question

Raptor1 · 10-31-13, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

Quantum Physics time....

Ok....

All things are made of matter right? Things that have mass have matter and take up space.

A Photon is defined in my textbook as massless.

What is a Photon made of then? Sure, it's energy...but what's that made of?

A photon is a massless particle, it is in fact made out of energy. Per Einstein's mass-energy equivalence it would probably be more accurate to say that "all things are made of energy" anyway, but that probably has a much better definition somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

Also, Gamma Radiation is defined as massless....what about that?

Gamma radiation is basically electromagnetic radiation (light) of a certain (very high) frequency range. So that is not terribly surprising.

Also, I'm not really sure this has much to do with quantum mechanics...

Red October1984 · 10-31-13, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

A photon is a massless particle, it is in fact made out of energy. Per Einstein's mass-energy equivalence it would probably be more accurate to say that "all things are made of energy" anyway, but that probably has a much better definition somewhere.

That's what I figured.

I'll have to do some more reading.

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Gamma radiation is basically electromagnetic radiation (light) of a certain (very high) frequency range. So that is not terribly surprising.

Also, I'm not really sure this has much to do with quantum mechanics...

It doesn't...but I thought of it halfway through the post and thought i'd ask.

Wolferz · 10-31-13, 05:56 AM

Get out of the physics pool before you get sun burned.

Skybird · 10-31-13, 06:21 AM

You are stepping beyond the border beyond which dualistic thinking makes no more sense. There is a reason why light often is referred to as having a dual nature, being a wave (no particle) and radiation (particle, photon) - you can prove both natures by choosing an according experimental design, it has been done, and repeatedly, so its confirmed. It's crazy, but we have to live with it.
Also mind you that on quantum levels, "particles" no longer are or could be understood as existing entities of something or that quantums are materialistic quantums. A quantum is a certain ammount of something. The term to point out here is "tendency". Meaning the tendency for existing for a given timeframe, or not. Also, "probability clouds". Particles not necessarily exist for sure, but have a tendency to exist only in a given point of space and time. And a quantum also could be described as a (varying!) ammount of tendency for something to exist for a varying ammount of time.

Quiz time: what is that "something"?

It's all crazy down there in the quantums.

Physicists sometimes say those claiming they have understood quantum physics by that give proof that they have not understood it. You "can not" understand it, not in the way you understand ordinary life in the ordinary world. And even that ordinary life often does not make sense, does it.

What it all is, in the end? Space. Empty void. Both in the subatomic and the astronomic dimension. Talking metaphysics here, a screen maybe serving as a projection screen for movies of unlimited content and variation. Where nothing is certain and there are no limits, everything is possible: unlimited potential.

That you cannot describe aspects of these things without using the language of abstract mathematics already demonstrates that our ordinary everyday-concepts of thinking do not work well when approaching these things. Best thing would be to leave dualistic thinking and talking behind.

Which maybe implies to leave our humanness behind.

Oberon · 10-31-13, 06:51 AM

This thread needs some Symphony of Science:

Wolferz · 10-31-13, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

This thread needs some Symphony of Science:

Naturally, leave it to Hawking to go all techno in that production.

Oberon · 10-31-13, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

Naturally, leave it to Hawking to go all techno in that production.

MC Hawking is another classic:

Contains strong language.

10-31-13, 04:45 PM

When are you guys gonna quit doing his homework?

Red October1984 · 10-31-13, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

You are stepping beyond the border beyond which dualistic thinking makes no more sense. There is a reason why light often is referred to as having a dual nature, being a wave (no particle) and radiation (particle, photon) - you can prove both natures by choosing an according experimental design, it has been done, and repeatedly, so its confirmed. It's crazy, but we have to live with it.
Also mind you that on quantum levels, "particles" no longer are or could be understood as existing entities of something or that quantums are materialistic quantums. A quantum is a certain ammount of something. The term to point out here is "tendency". Meaning the tendency for existing for a given timeframe, or not. Also, "probability clouds". Particles not necessarily exist for sure, but have a tendency to exist only in a given point of space and time. And a quantum also could be described as a (varying!) ammount of tendency for something to exist for a varying ammount of time.

Quiz time: what is that "something"?

It's all crazy down there in the quantums.

Physicists sometimes say those claiming they have understood quantum physics by that give proof that they have not understood it. You "can not" understand it, not in the way you understand ordinary life in the ordinary world. And even that ordinary life often does not make sense, does it.

Well said.

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Now shorten this up so RED OCT can UNDERSTAND IT or he'll think I wrote it

Nah...I knew you didn't write it because it didn't have repeatedly varying font sizes and formatting combined with strange made-up words.

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Originally Posted by privateer

When are you guys gonna quit doing his homework?

It's not my homework!

I swear.

My homework is easier to think about than this.

Now if you guys wanted to do it....

Who am I to object...

10-31-13, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

Nah...I knew you didn't write it because it didn't have repeatedly varying font sizes and formatting combined with strange made-up words.

That has to be the smartest thing I ever saw you post.

(I only say that cause my last infraction has expired)

10-31-13, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

your inert libido

My Wife lies! Just ask my Girlfriend!

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,637 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You are stepping beyond the border beyond which dualistic thinking makes no more sense. There is a reason why light often is referred to as having a dual nature, being a wave (no particle) and radiation (particle, photon) - you can prove both natures by choosing an according experimental design, it has been done, and repeatedly, so its confirmed. It's crazy, but we have to live with it. Also mind you that on quantum levels, "particles" no longer are or could be understood as existing entities of something or that quantums are materialistic quantums. A quantum is a certain ammount of something. The term to point out here is "tendency". Meaning the tendency for existing for a given timeframe, or not. Also, "probability clouds". Particles not necessarily exist for sure, but have a tendency to exist only in a given point of space and time. And a quantum also could be described as a (varying!) ammount of tendency for something to exist for a varying ammount of time. Quiz time: what is that "something"? It's all crazy down there in the quantums. Physicists sometimes say those claiming they have understood quantum physics by that give proof that they have not understood it. You "can not" understand it, not in the way you understand ordinary life in the ordinary world. And even that ordinary life often does not make sense, does it. What it all is, in the end? Space. Empty void. Both in the subatomic and the astronomic dimension. Talking metaphysics here, a screen maybe serving as a projection screen for movies of unlimited content and variation. Where nothing is certain and there are no limits, everything is possible: unlimited potential. That you cannot describe aspects of these things without using the language of abstract mathematics already demonstrates that our ordinary everyday-concepts of thinking do not work well when approaching these things. Best thing would be to leave dualistic thinking and talking behind. Which maybe implies to leave our humanness behind. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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