NOT GOOD!

lodebeard · 10-30-13, 09:07 PM

I am unsure why the OP is surprised that a forum full of people who have dedicated their love and time to finishing the brilliant SH5 engine into a playable experience would react negatively to such a post. Maybe the preferable course of action would have been to go post in the SH3 forum that you are happy to be back because you prefer that game, rather than dropping mild negativity here. Or perhaps take your complaint to Ubi, not these fine folks who toil over this stuff!

Positivity, people! Were all stuck in a tiny tin can together, so let's not quarrel.

To each his own,

Lode

~S~

BigWalleye · 10-31-13, 06:49 AM

Absolutely! This forum is for lovers of SH5 ONLY! People with criticism of the game (who are wrong-headed anyway) should take their negative opinions and bad experiences ELSEWHERE. Let no negative opinions disrupt the smooth, orderly progress of SH5 toward perfection. We do not want to hear from people who disagree with us. OP, please go and post somewhere else. You were mistaken to think that your opinion and your experience were worth consideration.

gap · 10-31-13, 07:19 AM

oh no, yet another of those threads

Criticism is always very welcome when it is constructive, and it is one of our best resources for making SH5 better. Call me harsh, but when on the contrary it arises from simple frustration and/or from the will to demolish this game, I am not interested in it. Videogames are not a relief good after all, and I don't see why I should feel sorry for someone who prefers playing SHIII (which is a beautiful game by the way) rather than SHIV or 5.

Bilge_Rat · 10-31-13, 07:48 AM

Constructive criticism and dialogue is always welcome.

Reading post#1, it is hard to tell if the OP was being deliberately provocative or if he just lacks the basic computer skills to run SH5. Either way, Webster's reply was suitably restrained and gentlemanly.

Of course, since it appears English is not the OP's principal language, perhaps when he posted "rubbish", he actually meant "Brillant in some areas, but still too many rough edges in other areas for my taste", but he lacked the language skills to properly express himself.

BassII · 10-31-13, 08:53 AM

Holy mackerel! A hornet's nest.....
I thought this was a world wide web site! Obviously not!

"follow a reading comprehension course"
"since it appears English is not the OP's principal language"

If you read my posts again, then maybe some "principals" will see, its not the SIM i'm getting at, but >> U-PLAY!

Thank you all for your "feedback", but at this time
No Thank you

Greendevil303 · 10-31-13, 09:20 AM

"Anti-shark cage. You go in the cage. Cage goes in the water. Shark's in the water. OUR shark..."

Bilge_Rat · 10-31-13, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassII

If you read my posts again, then maybe some "principals" will see, its not the SIM i'm getting at, but >> U-PLAY!

Hah! I misunderstood.

I doubt anyone will disagree with you on U-Play. Last night, even though I have mine set for "offline", it forced me to log in and "update", before I could reset it to "offline"...

plj · 10-31-13, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassII

Holy mackerel! A hornet's nest.....
I thought this was a world wide web site! Obviously not!

On every other site I'd reply with: you new here ? Except that over here, people are very helpfull, if you dont first create confusion by saying the game is rubbish while you mean to say the launcher sucks .. apparently

Quote:

If you read my posts again, then maybe some "principals" will see, its not the SIM i'm getting at, but >> U-PLAY!

By the time I reacted, I had already resisted to answer much sharper .. after noticing your English isn't using correct form, I decided to leave room for interpretation .. still, it was NOT at all clear you meant the launcher.

If you would have read the basic sticky's in the mod forum, you would already have your launcher to offline, and no issues with it.

All the other issues are mod issues .. loading time and game nor working properly that is. Which is easily resolved by using one of the lists and thus not having to work out the issues yourself.

Quote:

Thank you all for your "feedback", but at this time
No Thank you

If all you took from this discussion is the two bits you quoted, I feel confident in stating that the critisism was appropriate.

Targor Avelany · 10-31-13, 10:33 AM

/watches the show and eats popcorn...
and the next post reply is in...

10-31-13, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Absolutely! This forum is for lovers of SH5 ONLY! People with criticism of the game (who are wrong-headed anyway) should take their negative opinions and bad experiences ELSEWHERE. Let no negative opinions disrupt the smooth, orderly progress of SH5 toward perfection. We do not want to hear from people who disagree with us. OP, please go and post somewhere else. You were mistaken to think that your opinion and your experience were worth consideration.

I hope you were just kidding

here at SUBSIM we aren't about denying anyones valid right to state opinions that are positive or negative wether we agree with them or not.

the OP has the right to express any opinion he wishes within the rules and we welcome all sides of the spectrum to chime in with their opinions too as long as it is done in a respectful and non insulting manner.

I strongly disagree with your statement:

"We do not want to hear from people who disagree with us. OP, please go and post somewhere else. You were mistaken to think that your opinion and your experience were worth consideration"

and while I respect that may be your opinion and you certainly have the right to express it, I think (and hope) an opinion such as yours does NOT represent the majority of this community and it is definitely NOT an opinion shared by SUBSIM staff or management.

gap · 10-31-13, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassII

Holy mackerel! A hornet's nest.....

No not an hornet nest, but lately there have been too many threads of the "I've just trashed SH5" kind, and people are a bit tired of them. I am sorry if your post has been misunderstood for one of them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassII

If you read my posts again, then maybe some "principals" will see, its not the SIM i'm getting at, but >> U-PLAY!

To be fair, you started off by saying that this game is "rubbish" which might have lead to the misunderstanding. Anyway... the game is by now fully playable in off-line mode. The one time an internet connection is required, is the first time you install it, for game code activations. Explain in detail your problem, and you will receive all the help you need

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster

I hope you were just kidding

here at SUBSIM we aren't about denying anyones valid right to state opinions that are positive or negative wether we agree with them or not.

the OP has the right to express any opinion he wishes within the rules and we welcome all sides of the spectrum to chime in with their opinions too as long as it is done in a respectful and non insulting manner.

One can disagree on the content of a post by someone else, and indeed he is free to answer it back or to ignore it. But saying that criticism has no room here smells of censorship and it is not in line with the great opnness of this community

BigWalleye · 10-31-13, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster

I hope you were just kidding

here at SUBSIM we aren't about denying anyones valid right to state opinions that are positive or negative wether we agree with them or not.

the OP has the right to express any opinion he wishes within the rules and we welcome all sides of the spectrum to chime in with their opinions too as long as it is done in a respectful and non insulting manner.

I strongly disagree with your statement:

"We do not want to hear from people who disagree with us. OP, please go and post somewhere else. You were mistaken to think that your opinion and your experience were worth consideration"

and while I respect that may be your opinion and you certainly have the right to express it, I think (and hope) an opinion such as yours does NOT represent the majority of this community and it is definitely NOT an opinion shared by SUBSIM staff or management.

Webster, I apologize if my sarcasm was too subtle for you. Up Nort', we're not exactly known for being facile, and I certainly thought the intent would be obvious. As for my comment which you quote, that is EXACTLY the message I took from the posts I saw here. I hoped that by stating it baldly, I could highlight the fact that (IMO) more than one of the posts on this thread are pushing the boundaries of the SubSim code of conduct. Hopefully, I have.

10-31-13, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Webster, I apologize if my sarcasm was too subtle for you. Up Nort', we're not exactly known for being facile, and I certainly thought the intent would be obvious. As for my comment which you quote, that is EXACTLY the message I took from the posts I saw here. I hoped that by stating it baldly, I could highlight the fact that (IMO) more than one of the posts on this thread are pushing the boundaries of the SubSim code of conduct. Hopefully, I have.

when I post something like that I take "everyones comments" into account.

the trouble with sarcasm in forums is you need to add a jk to put it in context or it can, and often will be, taken as a comment and not sarcasm so to avoid 10 more posts "one upping" yours I felt I needed to comment. I have to take into account what a new member might think seeing comments like yours and not understanding they are meant to be sarcastic. it shows poorly on us and does not help in a thread with already touchy feelings expressed.

I did feel your comment was supposed to be sarcastic but others might not read it that way which is often the trouble with out of context sarcasm. just because I "think" something is meant as sarcasm doesn't mean I can just "assume" its ok to do so and as moderator and representative of SUBSIM I have an obligation to counter comments like those you posted.

10-31-13, 10:59 AM

hey guys, lets keep things in context here.

BassII made some comments I can only assume are born out of frustration and we have all been there at one time or the other.

there is no unringing the bell and he has every right to feel the way he does wether we agree or not. all we can do is wait and see if he wants our help to resolve any issues he has or if he has truly given up and moved on.

in either case the next step is up to BassII to decide if he wants our help.

if he just wanted to vent his frustration and set fire to the barn on the way out then maybe he will return again in the future when there are some preassembled super mods that make things easier for him.

remember, he was directing his scorn at ubi and u-play not the community or the modders here.

lodebeard · 10-31-13, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster

remember, he was directing his scorn at ubi and u-play not the community or the modders here.

Actually he started by saying he had uninstalled the game and add-ons because they were "rubbish". Only then did he mention U-play.

Saying he is addressing Ubisoft is like me being angry at you, but yelling at my girlfriend about it. Then when she tells me I'm being mean I tell her "hey, I was yelling at Webster, not you..."

I do think there were some over-reactions. My point was simply that I didn't understand why the OP was surprised there was backlash to his comments.

10-31-13, 07:19 AM	#3
gap Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CJ8937 Posts: 8,215 Downloads: 793 Uploads: 10	oh no, yet another of those threads Criticism is always very welcome when it is constructive, and it is one of our best resources for making SH5 better. Call me harsh, but when on the contrary it arises from simple frustration and/or from the will to demolish this game, I am not interested in it. Videogames are not a relief good after all, and I don't see why I should feel sorry for someone who prefers playing SHIII (which is a beautiful game by the way) rather than SHIV or 5. __________________ _____________________ \|May the Force be with you!\| ...\/

10-31-13, 07:48 AM	#4
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Constructive criticism and dialogue is always welcome. Reading post#1, it is hard to tell if the OP was being deliberately provocative or if he just lacks the basic computer skills to run SH5. Either way, Webster's reply was suitably restrained and gentlemanly. Of course, since it appears English is not the OP's principal language, perhaps when he posted "rubbish", he actually meant "Brillant in some areas, but still too many rough edges in other areas for my taste", but he lacked the language skills to properly express himself. __________________

10-30-13, 09:07 PM	#1
lodebeard Gunner Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 96 Downloads: 84 Uploads: 0	I am unsure why the OP is surprised that a forum full of people who have dedicated their love and time to finishing the brilliant SH5 engine into a playable experience would react negatively to such a post. Maybe the preferable course of action would have been to go post in the SH3 forum that you are happy to be back because you prefer that game, rather than dropping mild negativity here. Or perhaps take your complaint to Ubi, not these fine folks who toil over this stuff! Positivity, people! Were all stuck in a tiny tin can together, so let's not quarrel. To each his own, Lode ~S~ Last edited by lodebeard; 10-30-13 at 09:45 PM.

10-31-13, 06:49 AM	#2
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Absolutely! This forum is for lovers of SH5 ONLY! People with criticism of the game (who are wrong-headed anyway) should take their negative opinions and bad experiences ELSEWHERE. Let no negative opinions disrupt the smooth, orderly progress of SH5 toward perfection. We do not want to hear from people who disagree with us. OP, please go and post somewhere else. You were mistaken to think that your opinion and your experience were worth consideration.

10-31-13, 08:53 AM	#5
BassII Bosun Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Scandinavia. Posts: 62 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Holy mackerel! A hornet's nest..... I thought this was a world wide web site! Obviously not! "follow a reading comprehension course" "since it appears English is not the OP's principal language" If you read my posts again, then maybe some "principals" will see, its not the SIM i'm getting at, but >> U-PLAY! Thank you all for your "feedback", but at this time No Thank you

10-31-13, 09:20 AM	#6
Greendevil303 Loader Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Englewood, Colorado Posts: 89 Downloads: 194 Uploads: 0	"Anti-shark cage. You go in the cage. Cage goes in the water. Shark's in the water. OUR shark..."

10-31-13, 10:33 AM	#9
Targor Avelany Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 1,183 Downloads: 225 Uploads: 0	/watches the show and eats popcorn... and the next post reply is in...

10-31-13, 10:59 AM	#14
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	hey guys, lets keep things in context here. BassII made some comments I can only assume are born out of frustration and we have all been there at one time or the other. there is no unringing the bell and he has every right to feel the way he does wether we agree or not. all we can do is wait and see if he wants our help to resolve any issues he has or if he has truly given up and moved on. in either case the next step is up to BassII to decide if he wants our help. if he just wanted to vent his frustration and set fire to the barn on the way out then maybe he will return again in the future when there are some preassembled super mods that make things easier for him. remember, he was directing his scorn at ubi and u-play not the community or the modders here.