Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds' - Page 79

Dowly · 09-16-13, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

When in doubt, SHOUT!

He has learned from the .

Jimbuna · 09-17-13, 04:15 AM

France are now trying to add pressure on Russia to support potential future military action in light of the UN statement about the use of chemical weapons.

I doubt they'll succeed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24122615

Skybird · 09-17-13, 05:08 PM

A very well thought-out analysis of how Obama has replaced intellectual arguments with emotional appeals, and replaces objectivity with subjectively felt rightousness. By content it could have been written by me (I completely agree with it), but I would struggle to put it in such adequate, precise wording.

Nothing good can come from such changes in political culture.

From the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ, the German equivalent to the London Times) and thus, IN GERMAN, sorry.

LINK: Mr. President, how are you today?

Feuer Frei! · 09-18-13, 06:39 AM

So then, Syria turns to Russia, its friend:

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Syria has given Russia new "material evidence" that Syrian rebels used chemical weapons in an attack on 21 August, a Russian minister has said

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18 September 2013 Last updated at 11:01 GMT

Here, the key findings of the UN Report:

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A much-anticipated UN report has concluded that chemical weapons were used on a relatively large scale in the Ghouta area of Damascus on 21 August

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17 September 2013 Last updated at 15:09 GMT

Skybird · 10-11-13, 07:09 AM

HRW reports that rebels have committed a huge massacre in the North of Syria during a targeted attack on the civilian populations in several Alewite villages. Around 200 civilians have been massacred: children, elderly, and ill. At least 200 girls and women were taken hostage.

Considering that the atrocities have not been conducted by using chemical weapons, but more humanely by conventional firearms and machetes, it is maybe no surprise that the media so far take only little interest in reporting the story.

Jimbuna · 10-11-13, 08:13 AM

Do you have a link Sky?

EDIT: No problem, just found this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24486627

10-11-13, 10:17 AM

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it is maybe no surprise that the media so far take only little interest in reporting the story.

Well obviously.

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EDIT: No problem, just found this:

What ? you mean it is reported.

Must be some sort of trick there.
Lets see HRW released their report on 11/10/2013, the media didn't show any interest in the report till 11/10/2013.

Its quite hard to find a media source not covering it.
Could it be that the usual claims of "the media isn't covering it" generally translates as "its in the newspapers".
But maybe its a longer trend, after all it is a whole month since they ran the coverage of the UN report on massacres on the day that report was released.

Mr Quatro · 10-11-13, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

HRW reports that rebels have committed a huge massacre in the North of Syria during a targeted attack on the civilian populations in several Alewite villages. Around 200 civilians have been massacred: children, elderly, and ill. At least 200 girls and women were taken hostage.

Considering that the atrocities have not been conducted by using chemical weapons, but more humanely by conventional firearms and machetes, it is maybe no surprise that the media so far take only little interest in reporting the story.

and this one several weeks old too:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420263/Syrian-civil-war-rebels...

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Beheaded in front of children, Assad's thugs are dragged to their doom and butchered like animals in some of the most brutal scenes to emerge from Syria

I've said it before and I will say it again ... I think these Jihadi-led rebel fighters (commanders at least) are making money off of this war that is over two years old.

I hate to think what happens to those 200 hundred women and little girls, surely some becoming war time brides and that is a nice term for what Japan did to it's own females population during WWII.

Who besides the good ole USA is supplying funds and small arms and training to these rebels with different commanders from who knows where?

Syria War: Rebels Joined By Chechnya Islamic Militants In 'Jihad ...

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Mar 06, 2013 · Syria War: Rebels Joined By Chechnya Islamic Militants In 'Jihad' Against Assad

I love Senator Mccain, but I for one am glad that President Obama is a fence sitter in this Syrian war. If Mccain had of won we would be in a full scale conflict without understanding the consequences of a true outcome.

Can you imagine the massacre if the rebels take Damascus

Platapus · 10-11-13, 02:10 PM

So which side are we supporting???

Why do we have to support any side?

TarJak · 10-11-13, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

So which side are we supporting???

Why do we have to support any side?

Why not support both sides and sit back and make money from both while they beat the snot out of one another? /sarcasm

Platapus · 10-11-13, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

Why not support both sides and sit back and make money from both while they beat the snot out of one another? /sarcasm

If there were a way we could do this without the press blowing it, I am sure many in our government would like to do just that.

Supporting both sides is double the profit and it makes the war (demand) last a lot longer.

Catfish · 10-11-13, 05:41 PM

So it was the rebels ? I sincerely doubt that.

By all sympathy for people fighting against militant muslims the latter sure do not have the weapons having been used. Also trajectories and calculations make it most probable the Sarin attacks came from Assad's troops.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24130181

TarJak · 10-11-13, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

If there were a way we could do this without the press blowing it, I am sure many in our government would like to do just that.

Supporting both sides is double the profit and it makes the war (demand) last a lot longer.

Trouble is that the aid being given to one side is for free.

Feuer Frei! · 10-12-13, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

President Obama is a fence sitter in this Syrian war.

? Anything but a fence-sitter.

You may technically be correct NOW, in the present time frame. And that's only because he was maneouvered into that position by various outside influences. Lucky for him.
Now....
Cast your mind back to the start of the Syria saga.
And once there, jump forward to the present.

Now study his political, diplomatical and personal actions, reactions, objectives, fails, backflips, hesitations and media statements and you will find that most of the above indicate anything but a fence sitter. In the Syria affair (chemical weapons).

Until of course a Vlad the saviour of embarrassment and new lows for the big O came along in the end.

No need for the Senate vote to dig him a new hole.

Onkel Neal · 02-11-17, 08:20 AM

I found an interesting video on the origins of the Syrian civil war

Too bad the US dropped the ball on this, we could have helped those people free themselves from the dictatorship. Nothing in this video hints that the people trying to liberate their land were Islamic extremists. They were just people who wanted freedom.

09-17-13, 04:15 AM	#1172
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	France are now trying to add pressure on Russia to support potential future military action in light of the UN statement about the use of chemical weapons. I doubt they'll succeed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24122615 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-17-13, 05:08 PM	#1173
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	A very well thought-out analysis of how Obama has replaced intellectual arguments with emotional appeals, and replaces objectivity with subjectively felt rightousness. By content it could have been written by me (I completely agree with it), but I would struggle to put it in such adequate, precise wording. Nothing good can come from such changes in political culture. From the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ, the German equivalent to the London Times) and thus, IN GERMAN, sorry. LINK: Mr. President, how are you today? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-11-13, 07:09 AM	#1175
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	HRW reports that rebels have committed a huge massacre in the North of Syria during a targeted attack on the civilian populations in several Alewite villages. Around 200 civilians have been massacred: children, elderly, and ill. At least 200 girls and women were taken hostage. Considering that the atrocities have not been conducted by using chemical weapons, but more humanely by conventional firearms and machetes, it is maybe no surprise that the media so far take only little interest in reporting the story. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-11-13, 08:13 AM	#1176
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Do you have a link Sky? EDIT: No problem, just found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24486627 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,379 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	So which side are we supporting??? Why do we have to support any side? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

10-11-13, 05:41 PM	#1182
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,773 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	So it was the rebels ? I sincerely doubt that. By all sympathy for people fighting against militant muslims the latter sure do not have the weapons having been used. Also trajectories and calculations make it most probable the Sarin attacks came from Assad's troops. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24130181 Last edited by Catfish; 10-12-13 at 07:02 AM.

02-11-17, 08:20 AM	#1185
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I found an interesting video on the origins of the Syrian civil war Too bad the US dropped the ball on this, we could have helped those people free themselves from the dictatorship. Nothing in this video hints that the people trying to liberate their land were Islamic extremists. They were just people who wanted freedom. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web Last edited by Onkel Neal; 02-11-17 at 08:45 AM.