Donation: paypal troubles (fixed)

[RickC Sniper]

Am not sure it could matter, but perhaps this was caused by a donation to Subsim being changed to a "subscription" which automatically gets billed annually unless you cancel it.

Could this be the cause?

[Mr Quatro]

Does subsim have snail mail?

Someone charged two apple computers to my visa ... but thank god I didn't have enough funds to cover them

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Does subsim have snail mail?

Yup,

Neal Stevens, Subsim
5108 Woodville Lane
Pearland, TX 77584

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yes, check or cash can be mailed to the address above. Be sure to include your forum nickname, so I can upgrade your account.

Originally Posted by Dowly

Yup,

Neal Stevens, Subsim
5108 Woodville Lane
Pearland, TX 77584

I could never remember the address. But I can drive there from memory.


Last year around Easter I did a drive by scowling.

[August]

I'm sending my donation out via snail mail.

[Skybird]

Having gotten the email confirmation by Paypal for the transaction over my "new" account, I just realized that although i signed a new account, they seem to have not formed a new one, but linked the form's data to the old one, and reactivated it.

I note that due to a spelling mistake in my data, which was present in the old one, and now is back in the "new" one.

Point is: back then I erased my banking data from the old pp-account, then send them an email that they should shut down the whole account and delete it, instead of it just hibernating until reactivation.

And they sent a confirmation they would do.

And now this...?

Just confirms my deep mistrust I have for banks in general, and online payment things in general. You are not master of your own data, you cannot unlist from such services if you want that, and once the genie is out of the bottle, you never get it back into it. Even worse is when your stuff is on foreign servers. You have nothing but their smiling faces to believe in. What really is being done with all that stuff, you have absolutely no clue of.

I have sent them an email with a request for them explaining themselves.

Reminds me of the fingertip scanner in the new iPhone. German authorities are warning against using that function, and the reason has far greater validity: biometric characteristics that can be used for ID-ing you, stick with you for all your life. If you store them carelessly in many foreign places over which you have no control whatever, and use them inflationary, this can badly backfire against you if somebody gets his hands onto them and abuses them criminally. Apple says the fingertip gets stored on the device and the data cannot be accessed. How stupid do they think people are? It will get hacked, of course, and of course criminal energy can get such data out of your handy. And this time you cannot heal the problem by just logging a new email adress or changing all your PINs and codewords.

I do not trust these things. My deep distrust for these digital things is already encoded within my genes. I do not like this new world forming up. And I do not think it is friendly. Being controlled and monitored and personally recorded, is not friendly, but a hostile act meant to control, expose and lock you, defenselessly.

[Mr Quatro]

I know what you mean sky about banking ... some people have no choice except to just go along with whatever they want when they want it.

I had a savings account with an unnamed bank that included keep the change on all my transactions and transferring it to my savings account. The amount came to a couple of hundred dollars a year, but then the bank started charging a fee if you didn't have a minimum of $400 in your savings account.

So I canceled keep the change and they still charged me the fee so I canceled the whole savings account keeping the checking account, with me so far?

Three months go by and they charge me $10 for not having enough in my, by now non excitant, savings account. I called them up and told them that I didn't even have a savings account and she said well you forgot to inform us of this and we charged you anyway ...

How about that new subsim fund raiser graphics in the header...
makes me thirst for SHVI

[kranz]

Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

Am not sure it could matter, but perhaps this was caused by a donation to Subsim being changed to a "subscription" which automatically gets billed annually unless you cancel it.

Could this be the cause?

this is the cause (as I explained in my post above) but I bet we will have at least 4-5 more people blaming paypal rather than subsim for not being able to donate.

[Onkel Neal]

I will have to check with Paypal, if that is the case, I can add a non-subscription button too. The subscription option notifies the user before renewing the subscription, so it can be cancelled easily at any time.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

Am not sure it could matter, but perhaps this was caused by a donation to Subsim being changed to a "subscription" which automatically gets billed annually unless you cancel it.

Could this be the cause?

I just tried it again to check that out, by now I have my friends paypal data in the back of my head , but I find no option to choose between donation and subscription ?! Trying to complete the paypal debiting process again failed: "no debit transactions possible, please link a credit card to your paypal account" (translated from the German).

A banking or email provider, or whatever it is, named snail mail is unknown to me, could find no info on it. And I have no intention to buy or subscribe into just another such service.

It's either paypal, or Visa, but not Visa via paypal, and no third transaction service. What is good enough for so many other shops and service providers, certainly should be good enough for Subsim, too. If not, I fold. It's not as if my money is begging me to leave my purse.

[Jimbuna]

Snail Mail is a term commonly used for surface/letter post

[Skybird]

Oh, my fault.

Money in letters is a no go. Tests with the German mail in 2011 showed that up to one third of such envelopes disappeared.

I am a big fan of cash payment. But only from hand to hand.

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, the reason I went with "subscription" is because the word has SUB in it.

No, not really, it is because the vBulletin forum system works with the Paypal subscription tools to automatically enable the user ranks and forum access for me.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Oh, my fault.

Money in letters is a no go. Tests with the German mail in 2011 showed that up to one third of such envelopes disappeared.

I am a big fan of cash payment. But only from hand to hand.

its always best to put it inside a sheet of paper folded 3 times so you cant see money through the envelope, I never just stick it in by itself or your right it gets nicked

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Webster

its always best to put it inside a sheet of paper folded 3 times so you cant see money through the envelope, I never just stick it in by itself or your right it gets nicked

That goes without saying. BTW, the tests showed (they were even on TV) that it is not about seeing, but feeling it with fingertips, and fingernails (!)

Worked with a mail center in the early 90s myself, during university. It was a not-spoken-about open secret that the disappearance rates with parcels also were much higher than what they let the public know. No wonder, there was almost zero security back then, everybody could stroll onto the perimeter, act as if he belonged there,. picked up a parcel, and walk out. Nobody would have asked you. With parcel services now being delegated to sub-contractors by most if not all parcel deliverers, it probably has not become better.


Neal,
if you get your paypal thing fixed, or set up a credit card option, set up a big flashing post announcing it in GT, and I'm sure you will be able to collect some more coins within short time - and mine as well, certainly. Until then, I now let it rest.