Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Cybermat47]

Oh what is it what is it? Oh no not the necromancy! Not the necromancy! ARRRGH ugh bleurgh.
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[August]

Looks like we got us a Bot!

[Jimbuna]

Not any longer.

EDIT: Kind thanks to the person who reported the Bot (I've just seen the post report)...you know who you are

[August]

Colorado ousts two gun ban legislators in recall election.

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/11/221223...over-gun-votes

Good for Colorado! Hickenlooper is next I hope.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by August

Colorado ousts two gun ban legislators in recall election.

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/11/221223...over-gun-votes

Good for Colorado! Hickenlooper is next I hope.

Great news

[Tchocky]

Shhhhh.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by August

Colorado ousts two gun ban legislators in recall election.

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/11/221223...over-gun-votes

Good for Colorado! Hickenlooper is next I hope.

Awesome.

Another link with the poll results for anyone interested.
http://live.denverpost.com/Event/Col..._Election_2013


Meanwhile in California, SB 374 is on its way to the governors desk to be signed into law. It basically redfines "assault weapon" as ANY semiauto centerfire rifle that accepts a detachable "feeding device", and also i think any centerfire rifle that can hold more then 10 rounds internally. Originally RIMFIRE was on this bill too. I guess they thought that was over reach. Seriously, boil it down, and their saying any semi-auto rifle that holds more then 10 rounds. This technology has been around for a century now, WTF?

On and lets not forget how existing "assault weapons" are already handled by the Peoples Republic. They are all registered. You cannot sell them, you cannot gift them, and you cannot pass them down to a family member when you die. After your death, they are confiscated by the state. So by reclassifying all semi-auto's that hold more then 10 rounds or use detachable magazines, what you have is the largest gun ban and confiscation scheme ever devised by way of attrition.

I thought this video was interesting:

That video just goes to show, gun owners are not just angry white males and rednecks living in trailers as sterotyped by the media and liberal progressives. Side note, I'm half Chinese. Just throwing that out there since i've been on the pro-gun lobby since last December.

So a politician loses their job on a 15% turnout, the law people object to stays on the books.
So much for the awesome great and good.

Anyway wasn't it something like 90% of Americans that support backround checks on gun sales, I suppose the remaining 10% mainly would be made up of criminals and the insane who wouldn't pass any check.

[Oberon]

Brains

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Brains

Yeah I know, don't look at me though, I'm not the necromancer.


Although, here's the thing, would you rather gun control threads keep popping up, or have it all contained in one thread? This topic will come up, again, and again and again, because the anti-gun gun people will never, ever give up. Seriously, do you realize that as the senate come back early from recess to debate syria, Senator Murphy (D, CT) , was still throwing gun control out on the senate floor? Seriously, they are there to debate a possible war, and the pundits are still on gun control. That should tell you something.

[Oberon]

Yeah, at least it's in one thread. Still, I can't see anything happening to take away US guns, it's just too engrained in the US culture to ever succeed. Not unless you have some sort of mass civilian uprising which kills thousands, or something like that. The odd school shooting, whilst tragic, is not enough to cause that kind of change, but you're right, that's not going to stop the age old battle.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Yeah, at least it's in one thread. Still, I can't see anything happening to take away US guns, it's just too engrained in the US culture to ever succeed. Not unless you have some sort of mass civilian uprising which kills thousands, or something like that. The odd school shooting, whilst tragic, is not enough to cause that kind of change, but you're right, that's not going to stop the age old battle.

Well, as for taking away guns, they are trying awfully damn hard. Take a look at what is heading to the governors desk in california.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB374

It's the death by a thousand cuts metaphor really. Much of the time, California is the petri dish for gun control. Now combine that with Obama's executive order banning the reimportation of "military style arms". Basically, M1 Garands, M1 carbines, 1903 springfields, etc. No crime that I'm aware of has ever been commited with these rifles. They are mainly collectors pieces, pieces of history, certainly not "assault weapons" but, they're after those too. They take what they can get, and constantly chip away at it.

How much firearms are part of American culture really depends a lot on where you go. The easiest example is California. You combine a democratic super majority, with large metro's and you end up with a population that has the preconception that only crazy people, and criminals own guns; "normal" people don't.

Contrast that to most any "fly over state", and guns are quite normal. Living in california, If i went over to a inlaw's house and said, "Hey man, I got a new rifle! ", they'd probably look at me funny, like i was crazy or something. Living where I do now, I did tell an inlaw exactly that, and the response I got was, "Well, where is it?! You mean you didn't bring it with you?" After that jovial tongue lashing, I ended up driving home (all but 5 mins), and retrieving said rifle so my inlaw could see it.

[soopaman2]

Obama will be gone soon, and no democrat has a chance...

So his empirical edicts will be null.

Take it from a pro gun liberal. (oxymoron, or just a moron?)

American elections always seem to swing from 8 years of one extreme, to 8 years of another.

Why are guns such a popular target to attack, and not addressing where the bulk of the gun deaths stem from. Gang violence, from illeagal arms.

Take everyones guns does nothing, to stop thugs and drug dealers from gaining guns, it puts the legal owner at a disadvantage.

I went through classes to carry, what did Tyrone, and Jose do to carry? Bought it out a car trunk.

But the media never adresses that.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well, as for taking away guns, they are trying awfully damn hard. Take a look at what is heading to the governors desk in california.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB374

It's the death by a thousand cuts metaphor really. Much of the time, California is the petri dish for gun control. Now combine that with Obama's executive order banning the reimportation of "military style arms". Basically, M1 Garands, M1 carbines, 1903 springfields, etc. No crime that I'm aware of has ever been commited with these rifles. They are mainly collectors pieces, pieces of history, certainly not "assault weapons" but, they're after those too. They take what they can get, and constantly chip away at it.

How much firearms are part of American culture really depends a lot on where you go. The easiest example is California. You combine a democratic super majority, with large metro's and you end up with a population that has the preconception that only crazy people, and criminals own guns; "normal" people don't.

Contrast that to most any "fly over state", and guns are quite normal. Living in california, If i went over to a inlaw's house and said, "Hey man, I got a new rifle! ", they'd probably look at me funny, like i was crazy or something. Living where I do now, I did tell an inlaw exactly that, and the response I got was, "Well, where is it?! You mean you didn't bring it with you?" After that jovial tongue lashing, I ended up driving home (all but 5 mins), and retrieving said rifle so my inlaw could see it.

Yeah, but what flies in California will never fly in the...errr...'Fly over state' (where does that term come from?), the culture between the coast and inland is so radically different, as you've pointed out, not just in firearms but in many things, trying to impose a nationwide ban would likely fail because half the nation wouldn't agree with the other half.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

..errr...'Fly over state' (where does that term come from?),

I can't say authoritively, but from my experience living in California, it's pretty much the countries interior. Anything between the West and East coast. I think it's more of a derogatory term then anything else, as it implies there is nothing worth seeing or doing there. Just same vast interior where nothing important resides. Something you fly over on your way to where there is something important. It really is a bit of a snobbish term, derived from snobbish attitudes.

edit:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...y-over%20state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyover_country