Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds' - Page 57

Sammi79 · 09-06-13, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

IIRC,
The UN report has 1 objective:
To show that Chemical weapons were used.
Not who used them.

Yes I know. The report will i suspect summarise a detailed analysis of the exact chemical makeup however, which could indicate the method of production...

Feuer Frei! · 09-06-13, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammi79

which could indicate the method of production...

Which may show that it was produced in another country and imported.
So, back to square one.

Syria doesn’t yet appear to have the capacity to produce the weapons entirely on its own.

Sammi79 · 09-06-13, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Which may show that it was produced in another country and imported.
So, back to square one.

Syria doesn’t yet appear to have the capacity to produce the weapons entirely on its own.

Alternatively it may show the chemicals were not made by or for military industry. Which would cast serious doubts on official responsibility.

Penguin · 09-06-13, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

If you want to continue this, may I suggest you post your response to this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=205143

No need to clutter this one.

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Oh God, let's not do this.

The Pengu abides!

Though I didn't want to revive a clear attempt of drive-by-trolling, so I have created a new one to continue the discussion here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=207224

Feuer Frei! · 09-06-13, 08:06 AM

Let's quickly break down the UN Weapons Team Inspection.

Firstly, it is knowledge now that the inspections were limited.

An hour and a half was all that was spent at the impact sites.

No houses were visited whilst there, they were asked to exhume bodies by the local doctor but they refused.

After that one and a half hours, they were ordered to evac asap.

There was another 6 sites which they could not visit.

Did the Syrian government order them out? Or was it the UN?
No one knows.

To say that the inspection was incomplete is an understatement.

August · 09-06-13, 08:07 AM

This is a copy of the letter I just wrote to my senator:

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Senator Warren,
I want you to oppose the Presidents attempt to get our country involved in yet another middle eastern war. Not just pull a Markey by refusing to do your job but actively oppose it.

The fact is that we can't eliminate Assads chemical weapons by air strikes alone and sending in ground troops is not and should not be considered a valid option (so far anyways). Unless you can accomplish something of value you should not attack. There is too much to risk for escalation to attack for just symbolic purposes.

Also two important words you should remember here Professor: "Collateral Damage".

If you strike there WILL be civilians injured and killed and footage of their bodies WILL be gleefully broadcast around the world by our enemies. Any politician who votes for intervention is definitely going to have this footage used against them the next time they run for reelection. If you automatically support the administration in this, like you have slavishly done since you gained office, you can expect to be labeled as a war monger and rightfully so. I don't think you really want to be dealing with pictures of dead civilians that you had authorized killing in when you run again in 2018.

This isn't party politics as usual. It's a chance to show that you vote based on the issues instead of the party line.

Sincerely,

Don't know if will help but it can't hurt.

Ducimus · 09-06-13, 08:29 AM

So much speculation, so little that anyone can do. BO is gonna do what he wants regardless. Though i do wonder if he'll push ahead without congress approval that he asked for or not. Might be political suicide, but hes a lame duck anyway.

TLAM Strike · 09-06-13, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

IIRC Irans F14s haven't flown in a while, certainly not en masse, spares are a bit of a problem and the sanctions have hit them hard, the Iranian airforce is not in good shape, but it could certainly put up a couple of fighters, 29s most likely, but they wouldn't cope very well against the USAF, not in a direct one on one situation. So I don't think they'd put themselves in that situation where they would have to directly confront the USAF.
Asymmetrical warfare is a possibility, but we thought Saddam would do that and he didn't, so it's 50/50, after all in the immortal words of Condie Rice, 'Iran is not Iraq'.

Iran only operates a dozen or so F-14s but those ones are actually quite decently maintained, they have also fitted them for Russian R-27 missiles.

One of the currently operational ones with the new camo pattern:

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Iran has Mig 29's, F-5's and a few Mirage F1's.

Mirage F1:

<snip>

Some of Iran's Mirages just got an overhaul at Shahid Nasser Habibi air base.

Armistead · 09-06-13, 10:40 AM

Watching the news yesterday, talking about how we're training Syrian Rebels to fight in Jordan. The problem, trainers say it's about impossible to vet the fighters, who is moderate, radical or terrorist, so much so can't really arm them. If we're so worried we can't decide who is safe to train, give them some decent weapons, then what the hell are we thinking about bombing Assad?

Ducimus · 09-06-13, 11:29 AM

SJRES (AS OF 9/5/13)
http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/me...c/DAV13973.pdf

TLAM Strike · 09-06-13, 11:30 AM

The former governor of Iran's Kish Province wrote online that in the event of a US attack on Syria the families of American officials would be kidnapped and tortured while the President's younger daughter would be taken and raped.

eddie · 09-06-13, 11:46 AM

A lot of tpough talk going on, not much substance though.

http://news.msn.com/world/iran-milit...f-syria-struck

Oberon · 09-06-13, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Iran only operates a dozen or so F-14s but those ones are actually quite decently maintained, they have also fitted them for Russian R-27 missiles.

One of the currently operational ones with the new camo pattern:

Some of Iran's Mirages just got an overhaul at Shahid Nasser Habibi air base.

How did they...

No...don't tell me...

Embargoes my arse...

Oberon · 09-06-13, 12:12 PM

Jeremy Bowen - Ice Cream in Damascus:
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...cream-damascus

Ducimus · 09-06-13, 01:26 PM

(47:31 )

Is it me, or when asked if he would go ahead anyway without congressional approval, he dodged the question with circle talk?

09-06-13, 08:06 AM	#845
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Let's quickly break down the UN Weapons Team Inspection. Firstly, it is knowledge now that the inspections were limited. An hour and a half was all that was spent at the impact sites. No houses were visited whilst there, they were asked to exhume bodies by the local doctor but they refused. After that one and a half hours, they were ordered to evac asap. There was another 6 sites which they could not visit. Did the Syrian government order them out? Or was it the UN? No one knows. To say that the inspection was incomplete is an understatement. __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

09-06-13, 10:40 AM	#849
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Watching the news yesterday, talking about how we're training Syrian Rebels to fight in Jordan. The problem, trainers say it's about impossible to vet the fighters, who is moderate, radical or terrorist, so much so can't really arm them. If we're so worried we can't decide who is safe to train, give them some decent weapons, then what the hell are we thinking about bombing Assad? __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

09-06-13, 11:30 AM	#851
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	The former governor of Iran's Kish Province wrote online that in the event of a US attack on Syria the families of American officials would be kidnapped and tortured while the President's younger daughter would be taken and raped. __________________

09-06-13, 08:29 AM	#847
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	So much speculation, so little that anyone can do. BO is gonna do what he wants regardless. Though i do wonder if he'll push ahead without congress approval that he asked for or not. Might be political suicide, but hes a lame duck anyway.

09-06-13, 11:29 AM	#850
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	SJRES (AS OF 9/5/13) http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/me...c/DAV13973.pdf

09-06-13, 11:46 AM	#852
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	A lot of tpough talk going on, not much substance though. http://news.msn.com/world/iran-milit...f-syria-struck

09-06-13, 12:12 PM	#854
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Jeremy Bowen - Ice Cream in Damascus: http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...cream-damascus

09-06-13, 01:26 PM	#855
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	(47:31 ) Is it me, or when asked if he would go ahead anyway without congressional approval, he dodged the question with circle talk?