Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

Oberon · 09-06-13, 05:43 AM

IIRC Irans F14s haven't flown in a while, certainly not en masse, spares are a bit of a problem and the sanctions have hit them hard, the Iranian airforce is not in good shape, but it could certainly put up a couple of fighters, 29s most likely, but they wouldn't cope very well against the USAF, not in a direct one on one situation. So I don't think they'd put themselves in that situation where they would have to directly confront the USAF.
Asymmetrical warfare is a possibility, but we thought Saddam would do that and he didn't, so it's 50/50, after all in the immortal words of Condie Rice, 'Iran is not Iraq'.

Feuer Frei! · 09-06-13, 05:46 AM

Iran has Mig 29's, F-5's and a few Mirage F1's.

Mirage F1:

Mittelwaechter · 09-06-13, 06:46 AM

Good edit, Sammi.

MH · 09-06-13, 07:03 AM

Where is logic in attaching unusual device to airliner and crashing it in middle of new york when you got the whole airliner.
You don't have to be some crafty government conspirator to dismiss this idea.
For a crafty thinker you doing very badly here...

Mittelwaechter · 09-06-13, 07:03 AM

Dowly

Any police officer who questions the husbands claim, the dead wife has felt of the stairs by accident, is doing his job. He may wonder about the stangulation marks and the deranged sleeping room.
So he becomes a CT - questioning the official statements of Mr Husband.
He will have the posibility to provide any evidence for his assumption, Mr Husband may be a liar and a murderer, because he is at the scene and gets all support to do his job.

Questioning and developing CTs is a good thing, while trying to uncover the truth.
We have only this, because we are not at the scene and we lack of support.
Even worse, we have the strong feeling (no evidence!) to fight against Mr Husband's brother, Police Comissioner Bad, who actively hinders us in revealing the story. He seems to abuse his power to destroy our reputation and to cover his brother's act.

I don't want to discuss 9/11, but just for the entertainment: check the second airplane, it has an unusual device attached to its belly. How comes?

Again, I have no evidence, but I'm 'sceptic'.

To answer your question about Bush: he wasn't the brightest light on the chandelier.
It would be great to know, when the appointment for the school visit was made.
What is more emotional but a caring president amongst children, while being attacked by some evil forces? I think (no evidence!) Bush was told to stay there, to stay cool and to comment neutral after the school event on the attacks.

Free speech and unchoreographed happenings were not his strong points.
(edit: better version, including "Their" cuts to hide the blooper)

Originally I simply stated "Al Qaeda" to be a database run by Osama iirc.

TLAM Strike · 09-06-13, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

IIRC Irans F14s haven't flown in a while, certainly not en masse, spares are a bit of a problem and the sanctions have hit them hard, the Iranian airforce is not in good shape, but it could certainly put up a couple of fighters, 29s most likely, but they wouldn't cope very well against the USAF, not in a direct one on one situation. So I don't think they'd put themselves in that situation where they would have to directly confront the USAF.
Asymmetrical warfare is a possibility, but we thought Saddam would do that and he didn't, so it's 50/50, after all in the immortal words of Condie Rice, 'Iran is not Iraq'.

Iran only operates a dozen or so F-14s but those ones are actually quite decently maintained, they have also fitted them for Russian R-27 missiles.

One of the currently operational ones with the new camo pattern:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Iran has Mig 29's, F-5's and a few Mirage F1's.

Mirage F1:

<snip>

Some of Iran's Mirages just got an overhaul at Shahid Nasser Habibi air base.

Armistead · 09-06-13, 10:40 AM

Watching the news yesterday, talking about how we're training Syrian Rebels to fight in Jordan. The problem, trainers say it's about impossible to vet the fighters, who is moderate, radical or terrorist, so much so can't really arm them. If we're so worried we can't decide who is safe to train, give them some decent weapons, then what the hell are we thinking about bombing Assad?

Ducimus · 09-06-13, 11:29 AM

SJRES (AS OF 9/5/13)
http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/me...c/DAV13973.pdf

TLAM Strike · 09-06-13, 11:30 AM

The former governor of Iran's Kish Province wrote online that in the event of a US attack on Syria the families of American officials would be kidnapped and tortured while the President's younger daughter would be taken and raped.

eddie · 09-06-13, 11:46 AM

A lot of tpough talk going on, not much substance though.

http://news.msn.com/world/iran-milit...f-syria-struck

Jimbuna · 09-06-13, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The former governor of Iran's Kish Province wrote online that in the event of a US attack on Syria the families of American officials would be kidnapped and tortured while the President's younger daughter would be taken and raped.

Most pleasant of him...I doubt he knows who his offspring are

Oberon · 09-06-13, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Iran only operates a dozen or so F-14s but those ones are actually quite decently maintained, they have also fitted them for Russian R-27 missiles.

One of the currently operational ones with the new camo pattern:

Some of Iran's Mirages just got an overhaul at Shahid Nasser Habibi air base.

How did they...

No...don't tell me...

Embargoes my arse...

Oberon · 09-06-13, 12:12 PM

Jeremy Bowen - Ice Cream in Damascus:
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...cream-damascus

Ducimus · 09-06-13, 01:26 PM

(47:31 )

Is it me, or when asked if he would go ahead anyway without congressional approval, he dodged the question with circle talk?

soopaman2 · 09-06-13, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

(47:31 )

Is it me, or when asked if he would go ahead anyway without congressional approval, he dodged the question with circle talk?

Has he ever answered any question directly?

Ask him if he will bail out the banks again, or allow multi billion dollar companies like GE to shirk taxes, the yes, will be resounding, and delivered with no doubt.

The common man is outpriced by the average politician, but if you like oil (and got buku bucks), then maybe we can start a war for ya.

09-06-13, 05:46 AM	#2
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Iran has Mig 29's, F-5's and a few Mirage F1's. Mirage F1: __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

09-06-13, 06:46 AM	#3
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Good edit, Sammi. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE Last edited by Mittelwaechter; 09-06-13 at 07:15 AM.

09-06-13, 07:03 AM	#5
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Dowly Any police officer who questions the husbands claim, the dead wife has felt of the stairs by accident, is doing his job. He may wonder about the stangulation marks and the deranged sleeping room. So he becomes a CT - questioning the official statements of Mr Husband. He will have the posibility to provide any evidence for his assumption, Mr Husband may be a liar and a murderer, because he is at the scene and gets all support to do his job. Questioning and developing CTs is a good thing, while trying to uncover the truth. We have only this, because we are not at the scene and we lack of support. Even worse, we have the strong feeling (no evidence!) to fight against Mr Husband's brother, Police Comissioner Bad, who actively hinders us in revealing the story. He seems to abuse his power to destroy our reputation and to cover his brother's act. I don't want to discuss 9/11, but just for the entertainment: check the second airplane, it has an unusual device attached to its belly. How comes? Again, I have no evidence, but I'm 'sceptic'. To answer your question about Bush: he wasn't the brightest light on the chandelier. It would be great to know, when the appointment for the school visit was made. What is more emotional but a caring president amongst children, while being attacked by some evil forces? I think (no evidence!) Bush was told to stay there, to stay cool and to comment neutral after the school event on the attacks. Free speech and unchoreographed happenings were not his strong points. (edit: better version, including "Their" cuts to hide the blooper) Originally I simply stated "Al Qaeda" to be a database run by Osama iirc. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE Last edited by Mittelwaechter; 09-06-13 at 07:15 AM.

09-06-13, 10:40 AM	#7
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Watching the news yesterday, talking about how we're training Syrian Rebels to fight in Jordan. The problem, trainers say it's about impossible to vet the fighters, who is moderate, radical or terrorist, so much so can't really arm them. If we're so worried we can't decide who is safe to train, give them some decent weapons, then what the hell are we thinking about bombing Assad? __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

09-06-13, 11:30 AM	#9
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	The former governor of Iran's Kish Province wrote online that in the event of a US attack on Syria the families of American officials would be kidnapped and tortured while the President's younger daughter would be taken and raped. __________________

09-06-13, 05:43 AM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	IIRC Irans F14s haven't flown in a while, certainly not en masse, spares are a bit of a problem and the sanctions have hit them hard, the Iranian airforce is not in good shape, but it could certainly put up a couple of fighters, 29s most likely, but they wouldn't cope very well against the USAF, not in a direct one on one situation. So I don't think they'd put themselves in that situation where they would have to directly confront the USAF. Asymmetrical warfare is a possibility, but we thought Saddam would do that and he didn't, so it's 50/50, after all in the immortal words of Condie Rice, 'Iran is not Iraq'.

09-06-13, 07:03 AM	#4
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Where is logic in attaching unusual device to airliner and crashing it in middle of new york when you got the whole airliner. You don't have to be some crafty government conspirator to dismiss this idea. For a crafty thinker you doing very badly here...

09-06-13, 11:29 AM	#8
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	SJRES (AS OF 9/5/13) http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/me...c/DAV13973.pdf

09-06-13, 11:46 AM	#10
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	A lot of tpough talk going on, not much substance though. http://news.msn.com/world/iran-milit...f-syria-struck

09-06-13, 12:12 PM	#13
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Jeremy Bowen - Ice Cream in Damascus: http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...cream-damascus

09-06-13, 01:26 PM	#14
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	(47:31 ) Is it me, or when asked if he would go ahead anyway without congressional approval, he dodged the question with circle talk?