Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[Tchocky]

Are you actually saying that this is happening due to a change in Saudi hard currency practices?

Or is this hypothetical to a different situation?
Yes, if OPEC decided to change the benchmark currency for oil trades, that would have an effect on local politics and the global economy.
It wouldn't change the course of the war in Syria, or the response to gassing civilians.

I don't see how this fits together even slightly.


Also, the US dollar is not the only fiat currency, certainly the ruble and yuan are.

[Ducimus]

Click on that "road to WW3" link in his sig.

It's basically a very convincing and well researched conspiracy theory on the Petrodollar and maintaining the petrodollar's dominance. I'm not saying I believe it, but I do find myself wondering if the conspiracy theorists have it right. Hell, a few months ago if someone told me big brother is watching everything i say or type, id have called them a wacko. Then the whole NSA thing came out.. so *shrug* i dunno.

[Mittelwaechter]

Sunni Saudi Arabia wants to dominate the Middle East. Syria is Sunni, but led by Alevi (a Shiite branch) Assad, a partner of Iran. Iran is Shiite and a rival of Saudi Arabia.

The US and Israel consider Iran to be hostile, since the Iranian people brought down their tyrant, a willing partner for western oil business.

Saudi Arabia backed US in fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, to have an allied/western base next to Iran. The US wanted to fight back the new communist Afghansitan, supported by the Russians.

Turkey would like to join the attack, but this is not in Saudi Arabia's interest.

So Syria is a piece of the puzzle to hit Iran - following the interests of Saudi Arabia, Israel and the US.
It is well possible, that the riots and the chemical attacks in Syria are part of an 'allied' plot to hit Iran.


The problem with the FIAT US Dollar is, that the US has nothing to back it but the military power. The US is bankrupt - 16.7 trillions of debts - and the US can sell only a few things of interest on the global market, but buys way more than it sells.

Import was 2.3 trillion Dollars, export was 1.5 trillion Dollars in 2012 - a deficit of 0.8 trillion Dollars (only in 2012) in goods.
The major import AND export goods are machines, electronic eqipment, oil, vehicles and medical equipment (top ranking in 2012).
Including services the import was 2.7 trillion Dollars and the export 2.2 trillion Dollars. Still a deficit of 0.5 trillion Dollars.

The costs for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are shooting through the ceiling. Two trillions of tax money and still counting. 50 million US Americans on food stamps and another 100 million close to the poverty line. FIAT money is only based on trust. The US is losing on this ground rapidly.


The Russians have endless resources and the Chinese cheap manpower and consumer goods to back their currency. Both have an export surplus in 2012 - as usual in the last decades.

[Wolferz]

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

OK I was wrong, but not entirely. They have used an old clip in a new situation.

Markus

[Skybird]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9830N620130904

In remarks that could raise tension further before he hosts President Barack Obama and other G20 leaders on Thursday, Putin also said U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry lied to Congress about the militant group al Qaeda's role in the Syrian conflict.

"They lie beautifully, of course. I saw debates in Congress. A congressman asks Mr Kerry: 'Is al Qaeda there?' He says: 'No, I am telling you responsibly that it is not'," Putin said at a meeting of his human rights council in the Kremlin.

"Al Qaeda units are the main military echelon, and they know this," he said, referring to the United States. "It was unpleasant and surprising for me - we talk to them, we proceed from the assumption that they are decent people. But he is lying and knows he is lying. It's sad."

Putin did not give any more details.

In an exchange with a senator, Kerry was asked whether it was "basically true" that the Syrian opposition had "become more infiltrated by al Qaeda over time. Kerry said: "No, that is actually basically not true. It's basically incorrect".

Well, by all that I have read, heard and seen, AQ is one of the best-armed rebel factions in the conflict. The FSA on the other hand is suffering a increasingly threatening personnel drain of fighters moving to radical groups or AQ, because they are better armed and financially better supported. FSA already is "outcoined" and outgunned - it could end up getting outmanned by radical groups as well.

[Mr Quatro]

I don't see how you can leave God out of this conflict ... if this is a red flag to bring up God then excuse me ...!

Syria has a God, each warring faction in the rebel war against the preset regime in Syria has a God.

Iran has a God that is the same as the Saudi's it's just a small religious spat they are having about where Mecca should be or more to the point how to worship as a true Muslim should.

Iran by the way is aligned with the Assad and his military defense of Syria.

Israel has a God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The good ole USA has a God, the son of God most high, Jesus, of which the Jewish nation of Israel denies that he is who he says he is.

Russia and China have, for the most part, no God and they along with Iran are against any military action in Syria that would punish Syria for the use of chemical warfare weapons against it's own people, going so far as to say that it was not President Assad that did this horrible deed.

On another forum, I don't remember which one, I heard a prophecy given three months ago that we should forgive the US Congress while we still can.

At first I thought oh this has something to do with President Obama's health care plan to be put into service by January or something to do with the budget crisis looming in the next 30 days or so.

Then I remembered the prophecy:

"Forgive the US Congress while you still can" "If you don't trust the Lord thy God you are either going to hell or you are going to be embarrassed when you get to heaven"

While some believe and some do not believe in a God that fought and won WWII ... I am among the believers.

This prophecy is not a red flag to discuss heaven or hell or a God or no God, but simply another way to see that God is in charge even if America makes a mistake like it did in Vietnam, God is still in charge of what men think.

It is entirely possible that the US Congress will deny the use of armed forces in Syria, but if they do let President Obama get away with the fence sitting he has been doing and we do attack Syria ... it can only back Syria and their Allies Russia, China and Iran deeper into a corner.

They have limited options to fight back, but every single option will draw us closer and closer to world confrontation.

I personally would like to see more humanitarian aid given to the ten's of thousands including one million children that have fled Syria.

Do you realize that President Obama has refused to give the rebels gas mask, but yet wants to bomb the enemy into submission?

I didn't trust this President when he was elected.
I didn't trust him when he ran up the national debt.
I didn't trust him with his health care plan for all taking 500 billion dollars away from Medicare ...

I don't trust President Obama now

[Mittelwaechter]

As far as I understand it, there are at least two Al Qaeda.

One is Osama's independent terror group, based on the former fighters in Afghanistan. He was noting the members of all the operations reported back to him, to provide information to the calling relatives from Saudi Arabia, asking what happened to their sons or brothers. Al Qaeda means list or database in Englisch. This list was a US/CIA/FBI base for naming/finding suspects for all executed terror attacks after the 'Afghan' independence war againt Russia. Osama's Al Qaeda did what they were doing in Afghanistan, what they were capable of: terror attacks on easy prey. Guerrilla war, partisan style.

The other Al Qaeda - our Al Qaeda - is an US controlled pretense. Our Al Qaida is an impressive staging, sending video messages when needed, willing assignable cause to any terror attack or plan. A veil for our agitating, civil ground crews operating in the Arabic - or other - countries, to breed bad blood, initiate some uprises and provide terror. Any force we deploy to destabilize a government or society can act as our Al Qaida. It has no members but the ones we assign to it. It is a not catchable phantom, a huntable shadow, an everlasting enemy.

It's what the US military branch urgently needed to keep the tax money flow running. The Soviet bogeyman disappeared without warning and no new, constant tax money provider was in sight. Osama's small Al Qaeda was no ample reason for running a multi billion Dollar military. They had to create an own, reliable and controllable bogeyman, showing up and frightening the s... out of the people whenever needed, but not able to disappear at his own will. Obama's Al Qaeda was a perfect fundament to build on and it is a perfect disguise and feint. As a welcome side effect, it was a justification for the growing surveillance and censor efforts.

There may be even a third Al Qaeda. I leave it to your own imagination to ponder on.

Ok, now I am confused.
If Russia has no god and god won world war II which side was Stalin on?

[Ducimus]

A couple of foxnews headlines:

Putin warns Russia could come to Syria's aid over US strike

Putin greets Obama with Syria threat

Russia's upping the rhetoric. Putin called Kerry a liar.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Al Qaeda means list or database in Englisch.

No, it means "The Base".

Originally Posted by Wiki

The name comes from the Arabic noun qā'idah, which means foundation or basis, and can also refer to a military base. The initial al- is the Arabic definite article the, hence the base.

Originally Posted by OBL

The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed.

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The other Al Qaeda - our Al Qaeda - is an US controlled pretense. Our Al Qaida is an impressive staging, sending video messages when needed, willing assignable cause to any terror attack or plan. A veil for our agitating, civil ground crews operating in the Arabic - or other - countries, to breed bad blood, initiate some uprises and provide terror. Any force we deploy to destabilize a government or society can act as our Al Qaida. It has no members but the ones we assign to it. It is a not catchable phantom, a huntable shadow, an everlasting enemy.

It's what the US military branch urgently needed to keep the tax money flow running. The Soviet bogeyman disappeared without warning and no new, constant tax money provider was in sight. Osama's small Al Qaeda was no ample reason for running a multi billion Dollar military. They had to create an own, reliable and controllable bogeyman, showing up and frightening the s... out of the people whenever needed, but not able to disappear at his own will. Obama's Al Qaeda was a perfect fundament to build on and it is a perfect disguise and feint. As a welcome side effect, it was a justification for the growing surveillance and censor efforts.

Any evidence?

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Russia's upping the rhetoric. Putin called Kerry a liar.

What does it say when the statements of the Russian PM are more credible that those of our own Secretary of State?

We have known for quite some time that AQ - and militant islamists in general - are part of the uprising in Syria.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I don't see how you can leave God out of this conflict ... if this is a red flag to bring up God then excuse me ...!

Not at all, since different beliefs in the nature of God are a major cause of the conflict in the Middle East. But...

The good ole USA has a God, the son of God most high, Jesus, of which the Jewish nation of Israel denies that he is who he says he is.

Mentioning Israel's denial of the Christian God is a possible incentive for a religious discussion, which doesn't have a place in a thread about the reasons for US intervention in the Syrian Civil War. We should never intervene on the basis of opposing religious beliefs, and I don't think we are now.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

What does it say when the statements of the Russian PM are more credible that those of our own Secretary of State?
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At this point, I think it's just a fact that our nations leaders are bold faced liars. You can't get more in your face then Obama did as i pointed out yesterday. Judge for yourself.

Aug 2012:


Sept 4 2013:

[Mittelwaechter]

Former British Foreign Minister Robin Cook wrote an article for the Guardian in 2005.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/j...y7.development

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.


Excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaed...tabase-2/24738

It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of “Al Qaeda.” We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.


The available information on the internet changes over time. Sources vanish or hide, data is reinterpreted or rewritten to fit (minitrue you know).
Evidence is hard to find for us. They are not stupid to leave it out in the open. They actively work on our perception, on the information and its interpretation.

'As far as I understand' does not claim any evidence.
It's all about connecting the dots, the bits of information we get, not following the prethought concepts offered by the governments (they tend to lie), but using one's own brain. Forming an 'own' opinion by thinking.