Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[mapuc]

Today I have on several walls, seen a ut-video where a spoke man from the White House saying
"White House Admits Assad Not Guilty of Gas Attacks"



I have seen this video several times. It looks like some one have cut and paste.


Have now been watching some video from The White house with this spokesman and the voice is different from the video above.


Markus

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Today I have on several walls, seen a ut-video where a spoke man from the White House saying
"White House Admits Assad Not Guilty of Gas Attacks"



I have seen this video several times. It looks like some one have cut and paste.


Have now been watching some video from The White house with this spokesman and the voice is different from the video above.


Markus

[Packlife]

No Assad's guilty of the gassing's they know that. I've been watching the hearings yesterday n today, an technically David Cameron's government wanted to help British parliament did. Cameron should of waited an did it like Obama is doing it, w/ better evidence than they had at the time Cameron when he called Parliament back early, if he had waited till now the Brits might be on board. But there are other countries that have said they'll put military asset's in motion if we do, the Turks, the Pakistani's, the French, an maybe the Saudi's. An a bunch of the Arab leagues countries have offered up money an use of their military bases, which doesn't always happen to often for us, usually just the Saudi's an Turks let us use bases. Sound's like Obama is going to start gearing the rebels we like probably the FSA (FreeSyrianArmy) w/ weapons ammo an other supplies they need to fight. An judging by the reactions an comments of the Senators yesterday an the reactions an comments of the congressmen an women, Obama is in good shape I think of winning the vote. Obama's got the support of the big names like McCain, Boehner, Pelosi, Cantor, an now support from both Foreign Relations Committees.

[Ducimus]

Get a load of the Liar-in-Chief:

Aug 2012:


(He clearly says, "red line, and "my calculus" and "my equation" on the use of Chemical weapons)

Sept 4 2013:

[Stealhead]

I can not speak for every American but hearing people of many different stripes talking about all this I would say that public support for taking action is very low.

People are tired of war why should we spend more and risk anyway more of our people in anyway and for what really?

To prove a point?

[BossMark]

Syria's President Assad referred to President Obama as weak. Obama is so angry he plans to ask Congress for permission to come up with a good comeback.

[Mittelwaechter]

Secretary of State John Kerry said at Wednesday’s hearing that Arab counties have offered to pay for the entirety of unseating President Bashar al-Assad if the United States took the lead militarily.

“With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes,” Kerry said. “They have. That offer is on the table.”

Asked by Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) about how much those countries would contribute, Kerry said they have offered to pay for all of a full invasion.

“In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost,” Kerry said. “That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e-2467ba30e5e3


In other words: the US relys on oil from Saudi Arabia and the Saudis want them to pay with an attack on Syria.

Want some oil? Work for it and keep your 'money'!

But let's fool the US folks to make them supportive: "a dedicated Saudi Arabia wants to carry the costs for an full invasion", Mr Kerry tries to sell.

"Hey - if we kick them really hard it's free!"

Rent an US army anyone?

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

In other words: the US relys on oil from Saudi Arabia and the Saudis want them to pay with an attack on Syria.

Want some oil? Work for it and keep your 'money'!

But let's fool the US folks to make them supportive: "a dedicated Saudi Arabia wants to carry the costs for an full invasion", Mr Kerry tries to sell.

"Hey - if we kick them really hard it's free!"

Rent an US army anyone?

No. Not even slightly.

Around ten percent of US oil imports come from Saudi Arabia. That's half of what they import from Canada.

Again, the talk of this all being about oil makes no sense whatsoever.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I would say that public support for taking action is very low.

You would be correct in assuming this.

In fact 6 out of 10 US Citizens are against any intervention by the US.

And growing.

6 days ago it was 5 out of 10

[Mittelwaechter]

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move...im0_mbbl_m.htm

Saudia Arabia is US second oil importer to Canada.

And this year the import from Saudi Arabia is growing (more than 30% since January), while from Canada the import is shrinking (~ 20%).

Over the past years, the US imported roughly double the amount of oil from Canada in relation to Saudi Arabia.

80 000 to 90 000 barrels (CAN) to ~ 45 000 barrels (SA) per month.

EDIT: Crude Oil only is about 65 000 to 45 000 barrels, over the past years.

[Tchocky]

So Saudi Arabia supplies around 1.5 million barrels annually.

The US consumes somewhere around 18 million barrels annually.

The thesis is not holding up. Anyone claiming that this potential attack is about oil reserves has to provide more than vague handwaving about the Saudis.


Edit - changed days to years

[Mittelwaechter]

If Saudi Arabia doesn't want to accpet Dollars for payment anymore, the US has to compensate in some other way.

Fracking is one choice - or trading military workforce.

Saudi Arabia wants to kick Assad out of the helm.

And they want to kick Iran, just like Israel wants to kick Iran.

[Jimbuna]

It must be nice to have enough money that you can ask what is probably still the most powerful military in the world to do your bidding for you.

[Tchocky]

And if that's what was happening it would be interesting.

The Saudi lobby has minimal influence in the decision making, least of all in countries like France.

[Mittelwaechter]

Maybe Saudi Arabia told the US they won't accept Dollars any longer (let's assume there is an interim arrangement). Maybe even the OPEC considers to end the Petro-Dollar agreement.
Iran is able to sell for Rubel or Yuan - or Indian Rupee, due to the US sanctions. They get real money insted of FIAT Dollars.
If the OPEC or Saudi Arabia would openly claim to refuse the Dollar soon, the impact on the global economy would be serious, not to talk of the impact on the US economy.

So consequently the US tries to become independant from Middle East/OPEC oil.

Don't underestimate the contacts of Saudi Arabia to the US ruling class. They are close since WWII. The Bush family is a good example.
And the Saudis supported the US with thousands of fighters (including Bin Laden), to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.

France is no necessary partner for going in. The US is seeking for support - to legitimize the attack - but it will act on its own if no one joins the force.