Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[Jimbuna]

Oh but we did...the details got mixed up that's all

[Ducimus]

In the spirit of gallows humor, anyone want to start taking bets on when our government does something incredibly stupid with a cruise missile? Pulling a date out of my ass, i'll guess sometime tomorrow, but definitely before the labor day weekend. Beer, BBQ, and stupidity on TV all in one go.

[Catfish]

Several sources now which claim gas has been used by the rebels. No evidence though.

As much evidence as for Assad having used it.


So there is still no evidence at all.

[Mittelwaechter]

Maybe just two days before someone does something stupid with a steam cooker at Victoria Station or Grand Central?

[Ducimus]

^


Big brother is now watching this thread.

[soopaman2]

One of the New York papers had something about the Us ready to strike, when looking for corroborating evidence, as it was a Rupert Murdoch owned rag mag, I found that it was the UN ready to jump in.


I hate our media, especially when some paper owned by an Australian, does its best to undermine us at every turn.

And people are worried about Bradley Manning and Snowden.

By the way, the same phone hacking liar owns Fox News.

Just once I want straight news, and not having to cross reference to get the whole story.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Just once I want straight news, and not having to cross reference to get the whole story.

There are 200 some countries in the world, most with online news services. No need to
read just American media if you dont trust them.

UN's asking for everyone to wait for the results of the investigation.
US, UK and France, especially the US are the ones talking how sure they are
it was Assad and that action needs to be taken.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Maybe just two days before someone does something stupid with a steam cooker at Victoria Station or Grand Central?

Nevermind those undependable terrorists. For those actions you have the Gladio stay-behind armies.

Now they'll watch.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

In the spirit of gallows humor, anyone want to start taking bets on when our government does something incredibly stupid with a cruise missile? Pulling a date out of my ass, i'll guess sometime tomorrow, but definitely before the labor day weekend. Beer, BBQ, and stupidity on TV all in one go.

Hmmm, well Dave is having his chat with Parliament tomorrow so I don't think they'll go tomorrow, probably what Dave and Barry have been chatting about on the hotline. I doubt Dave will put it to a vote in parliament because too many would vote against.
My money is on Friday, Monday at the latest.

[soopaman2]

Dave and Barry have a half a testicle between them.

My motive behind my opposition of any action, by my county at least, is my war wearyness.

I lost in the last wars, for zero gain to the common people.

We did not liberate Iraq Or Afghanistan, they hate us even more now. We are occupiers, barely tolerated.(by gunpoint)

What makes any of the warhawks think this is any different, unless you got alot of oil stock...

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Dave and Barry have a half a testicle between them.

My motive behind my opposition of any action, by my county at least, is my war wearyness.

I lost in the last wars, for zero gain to the common people.

We did not liberate Iraq Or Afghanistan, they hate us even more now. We are occupiers, barely tolerated.(by gunpoint)

What makes any of the warhawks think this is any different, unless you got alot of oil stock...

I am starting to wonder if the conspiracy theorists have it right. If your bored, here's a 14 minute video made a year ago that play's connect the dots in a dramatic fashion, and perhaps morbidly entertaining to watch.



I passively linked to this video few pages ago, but since im bored i'll point it out directly. I have to give the author of this video some credit. Even if watching this with the metaphorical grain of salt (or the entire damn salt shaker), he seems plays connect the dots quite well. What I note is that it was made a year ago and seems to be somewhat accurate on current events. That said, it's still conspiracy theory. Even if it's not, there's not much to be done at this point except sit back and watch events unfold and hope for the best.

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I am starting to wonder if the conspiracy theorists have it right. If your bored, here's a 14 minute video made a year ago that play's connect the dots in a dramatic fashion, and perhaps morbidly entertaining to watch.

This is a brilliant and educating clip and it sums up the hole mess perfectly.
Everybody should watch, understand and act accordingly.

Awesome find Ducimus!
I hope you don't mind I put it in my signature.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I am starting to wonder if the conspiracy theorists have it right. If your bored, here's a 14 minute video made a year ago that play's connect the dots in a dramatic fashion, and perhaps morbidly entertaining to watch.



I passively linked to this video few pages ago, but since im bored i'll point it out directly. I have to give the author of this video some credit. Even if watching this with the metaphorical grain of salt (or the entire damn salt shaker), he seems plays connect the dots quite well. What I note is that it was made a year ago and seems to be somewhat accurate on current events. That said, it's still conspiracy theory. Even if it's not, there's not much to be done at this point except sit back and watch events unfold and hope for the best.

I haven't finished watching the video yet, but it's plausible. Still a conspiracy theory, like you say, but a very well researched and presented one. I take it with a pinch of salt, as I do all conspiracy theories, and, like you say, even if it isn't one then there's not a great deal us little people can do.
In my opinion we are seeing the end of the American empire, it may culminate in a big war or it may come peacefully, but it is definitely coming. The 20th century was Americas century, the US had the prime spot from the early 1900s onwards, entering WWI at the closing stages so that the manpower bleed in the meatgrinder wasn't servere enough to cause economic problems in peacetime, and managing to get through all of WWII with scarcely a single bomb dropped on the industrial heartland, meanwhile Europe and Japan were both smashed into pieces through conflict and industrial centers turned into ruins. This has given the US a big advantage and it has taken it and run with it, but since the fall of Rome an Empire can scant last more than a century and we are seeing the transition take place. Before America, it was Britain that held that spot, from the early 1800s through to the end, we defeated the French, humbled other European powers and went all colonial on most of Southern Africa, and then we hit the brick wall that was World War One, and that was the end of our Empire. Before us, I would say that France held the spot, but then lost it in the bloody revolution of the late 1700s, and before France, I would have to say it was the Dutch, the 1600s are traditionally known as the Dutch Golden Age, and before them, probably the Holy Roman Empire, before the Thirty Years war blunted them. Before the HRE it was the Italians, and before them it was likely somewhere in Eastern Asia or South-Eastern Asia while Europe lingered in the Dark ages. At some point in between you have the Byzantines as a candidate, but we all know what happened to them.

Sad to say that most downfalls of Empires do occur around a drastic event, one can hope, if this should be the end of Americas century, that the drastic event was 9/11 and that there will be no more events of mass casualties, but I do fear that this will not be the case.
In terms of who the 21st century belongs to...hard to say, probably either South America, China or the Middle East. The next decade or two will tell.

[mapuc]

If the allied have to send fighters and bombers into Syria, do you think that the Syrian air force could be threat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Force

and not to forget their air defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Defense_Force

Expect that most of the air defense and their air force may be heavy damaged after the tomahawk campaign.

But there after...

If I was Assad I would let the west bomb my old air force (MIG 21 and MIG 23) my modern air force I would hide very very deep under ground.

After this tomahawk campaign I would take every plane I have left from my old air force fleet and some of the new fighters load them with long range ASM(IF they have some) and AA-missiles

I'll do the same with my air defense. Activate it when the Allied fighters and bombers comes.

Markus

[eddie]

I would ask the Israeli's how they get around this so called dangerous SAM defense the Syrians are supposed to have!