Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by eddie

So I don't get why we advertise we are going to hit Syria for 2 or 3 days with cruise missiles!

I guess they reckon that there's nothing Assad can do to stop them.

[Ducimus]

In the spirit of gallows humor, anyone want to start taking bets on when our government does something incredibly stupid with a cruise missile? Pulling a date out of my ass, i'll guess sometime tomorrow, but definitely before the labor day weekend. Beer, BBQ, and stupidity on TV all in one go.

[Catfish]

Several sources now which claim gas has been used by the rebels. No evidence though.

As much evidence as for Assad having used it.


So there is still no evidence at all.

[Mittelwaechter]

Maybe just two days before someone does something stupid with a steam cooker at Victoria Station or Grand Central?

[Ducimus]

^


Big brother is now watching this thread.

[soopaman2]

One of the New York papers had something about the Us ready to strike, when looking for corroborating evidence, as it was a Rupert Murdoch owned rag mag, I found that it was the UN ready to jump in.


I hate our media, especially when some paper owned by an Australian, does its best to undermine us at every turn.

And people are worried about Bradley Manning and Snowden.

By the way, the same phone hacking liar owns Fox News.

Just once I want straight news, and not having to cross reference to get the whole story.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Maybe just two days before someone does something stupid with a steam cooker at Victoria Station or Grand Central?

Nevermind those undependable terrorists. For those actions you have the Gladio stay-behind armies.

Now they'll watch.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

In the spirit of gallows humor, anyone want to start taking bets on when our government does something incredibly stupid with a cruise missile? Pulling a date out of my ass, i'll guess sometime tomorrow, but definitely before the labor day weekend. Beer, BBQ, and stupidity on TV all in one go.

Hmmm, well Dave is having his chat with Parliament tomorrow so I don't think they'll go tomorrow, probably what Dave and Barry have been chatting about on the hotline. I doubt Dave will put it to a vote in parliament because too many would vote against.
My money is on Friday, Monday at the latest.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Just once I want straight news, and not having to cross reference to get the whole story.

There are 200 some countries in the world, most with online news services. No need to
read just American media if you dont trust them.

UN's asking for everyone to wait for the results of the investigation.
US, UK and France, especially the US are the ones talking how sure they are
it was Assad and that action needs to be taken.

[soopaman2]

Dave and Barry have a half a testicle between them.

My motive behind my opposition of any action, by my county at least, is my war wearyness.

I lost in the last wars, for zero gain to the common people.

We did not liberate Iraq Or Afghanistan, they hate us even more now. We are occupiers, barely tolerated.(by gunpoint)

What makes any of the warhawks think this is any different, unless you got alot of oil stock...

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Dave and Barry have a half a testicle between them.

My motive behind my opposition of any action, by my county at least, is my war wearyness.

I lost in the last wars, for zero gain to the common people.

We did not liberate Iraq Or Afghanistan, they hate us even more now. We are occupiers, barely tolerated.(by gunpoint)

What makes any of the warhawks think this is any different, unless you got alot of oil stock...

I am starting to wonder if the conspiracy theorists have it right. If your bored, here's a 14 minute video made a year ago that play's connect the dots in a dramatic fashion, and perhaps morbidly entertaining to watch.



I passively linked to this video few pages ago, but since im bored i'll point it out directly. I have to give the author of this video some credit. Even if watching this with the metaphorical grain of salt (or the entire damn salt shaker), he seems plays connect the dots quite well. What I note is that it was made a year ago and seems to be somewhat accurate on current events. That said, it's still conspiracy theory. Even if it's not, there's not much to be done at this point except sit back and watch events unfold and hope for the best.

[mapuc]

If the allied have to send fighters and bombers into Syria, do you think that the Syrian air force could be threat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Force

and not to forget their air defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Defense_Force

Expect that most of the air defense and their air force may be heavy damaged after the tomahawk campaign.

But there after...

If I was Assad I would let the west bomb my old air force (MIG 21 and MIG 23) my modern air force I would hide very very deep under ground.

After this tomahawk campaign I would take every plane I have left from my old air force fleet and some of the new fighters load them with long range ASM(IF they have some) and AA-missiles

I'll do the same with my air defense. Activate it when the Allied fighters and bombers comes.

Markus

[eddie]

I would ask the Israeli's how they get around this so called dangerous SAM defense the Syrians are supposed to have!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If the allied have to send fighters and bombers into Syria, do you think that the Syrian air force could be threat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Force

and not to forget their air defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Defense_Force

Expect that most of the air defense and their air force may be heavy damaged after the tomahawk campaign.

But there after...

If I was Assad I would let the west bomb my old air force (MIG 21 and MIG 23) my modern air force I would hide very very deep under ground.

After this tomahawk campaign I would take every plane I have left from my old air force fleet and some of the new fighters load them with long range ASM(IF they have some) and AA-missiles

I'll do the same with my air defense. Activate it when the Allied fighters and bombers comes.

Markus

Airforce is debatable, depends on how much of it is usable. Saddam had some good jets, but he decided to bury them all, presumably to avoid detection and destruction...but it also seems he forgot to dig them up again until after it was too late.
Air defence is fairly potent, the mobile SAMs will be harder to take out with TLAMs than the static launchers, but if they leave their radars on too long then a HARM will do the job.
That's not to say that it'd be a cakewalk, there's risk, there's always risk, if they put people over Syrian airspace then people may die, that is war after all, but there's only so much you can do with cruise missiles.

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I am starting to wonder if the conspiracy theorists have it right. If your bored, here's a 14 minute video made a year ago that play's connect the dots in a dramatic fashion, and perhaps morbidly entertaining to watch.

This is a brilliant and educating clip and it sums up the hole mess perfectly.
Everybody should watch, understand and act accordingly.

Awesome find Ducimus!
I hope you don't mind I put it in my signature.