Barack Obama defends 'just war' using drones

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The United States government definitively says it can kill its citizens if it's too inconvenient to arrest them and try them. That's the bottom line. If you think your government, no matter who is in the White House, should have that power, then you really don't care about your rights.

^this

I was supportive of drone strikes when it was for recon purposes, or for taking out some truck full of terrorists... but when you consider that some or all of the occupants of the truck are born in Parma Ohio, raised in Newark, New Jersey and in their adult years became militant against the US government... well it makes no difference, protected by the constitution = protected by the constitution any way you slice it.

It is unprecedented - our own government is using remote drone warfare to murder US Citizens who have been deemed unworthy of due process of law.

If it can be proven that any president, past or present authorized drone strikes against US Citizens... they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

^this



It is unprecedented - our own government is using remote drone warfare to murder US Citizens who have been deemed unworthy of due process of law.

The due process is handled without the said individual involved in the proceedings that are held to determine if the individual is worthy. He just did not want to come in and talk about it. Drone dispatched.

[Skybird]

Like it or not, drones are the future, and they become increasingly omnipresent - not only in warzone, but our public sphere in our home countries, too. Media, police, everybody - try to stop it. You will fail. Heck, even for private use, toy-drones are being sold. That is a door-opener - to make them being taken for normal, and raise acceptance by that. The F-35 is most likely the last manned combat fighter build by the US. And it is not just the sky. Drones for naval operations are being build, too. And drones for landwarfare.

Militarily, drones obviously are vulnerable to one main concern: the vulnerability of the control signal link. Iran claimed to have successfully interfered with the radio signals remote-controlling one US drone, and by that triggering the automatic emergency landing protocols of that drone that enabled Iran to get it in its hand and gain access to the video memory.

What that means, is a logical step that many of you will like even less: the shifting from remote-controlled to autonomous combat drones. I do not like it, you do not like it, most people will not like it, and legislation will be made to prevent or at least limit that. But autonomous drones are the logical next step. And it will become real.

And not in just 30 years or so.

There is another concern. Drones are made of components manufactured by a variety of nations. You cannot conclude by the built drone you captured who really has send it. With more and more nations, and the technically interested public enthusiasts, organised crime and the academic international community anyway having access to cheap and unsuspicious electronic components and the knowledge how to assemble a drone (a pipe bomb, a nuclear bomb etc) thanks to the internet, not only nations can soon send a combat drone into action without allowing to be identified and thus being held responsible for it: especially organised crime, terrorists wil be doing it also.

Mr. Redline alias Mr. Buticannot has by now collected an impressive record of empty speeches that arouse emotions and are rhetorically brilliant more or less, its just that his words tend to mean nothing but hot air. And even if there will be treaties and laws (and I strictly doubt the American and any state's interest in such laws since state governments are about control and power, not freedom): is anyone really naive enough to think that that will mean anything?

[soopaman2]

You lost me Obama...

We have a thing called "due process"
The right to a fair trial.
The right to not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment.

How long until they hellfire missile a pot smoker? They get more time than Pedos in some places BTW.
I defended this toolbag for as long as I been a member here, I am still a somewhat lefty, but Obama is a spineless, self serving, weasel of a man, who uses his charisma to deflect his continuation of policies that he vilified to win the 2008 elections.

Even the far left wing rag, the huffington Post, is trashing him. Hard to piss off the food stamp publication... Real hard.

Between him and that (vile expletive deleted) Eric Holder, I am sick to my stomach.

Chris Christie 2016!
(I am not paid to keep saying that, though I should be)

We need a moderate. Not a DINO like Obama, or a "legacy holder" (aka American version of a monarachy) like Bush or any of his stupid hick relatives..

Obama....*sighs*

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

How long until they hellfire missile a pot smoker? They get more time than Pedos in some places BTW.

A dealer or grower perhaps but a person just smoking pot in most states these days they will get a summons and pay a fine not much worse than a traffic violation.It depends on the state of course in a growing number a personal amount is not even a crime.

They waste their time fighting marijuana anyway it is the number one cash crop in the Appalachians down in Tennessee and Kentucky as well as several California counties.

They would send a Hellfire at Montecillo because Thomas Jefferson grew hemp which is now illegal even though hemp has no psychotropic properties.

What makes you think that Chris Christie would be any different than any other president these days? You underestimate the power that money has over politics even presidents they all do what they are told.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

A dealer or grower perhaps but a person just smoking pot in most states these days they will get a summons and pay a fine not much worse than a traffic violation.It depends on the state of course in a growing number a personal amount is not even a crime.

Pardon the slight derail but 40 miles north of me in Newark, NJ (A real ghetto craphole for all those who do not know,used to be the car theft capital of the world, now it is gang ridden) , pot is a ticket/fine.

The town I live in on the Jersey Shore, you get a mugshot taken, and a booking, fingerprints taken, everything. Middle class neighborhood, etc...

It is municipality based.

That is where my hellfire missile comment came from, sir.
The Federal Gov dictates laws as it sees fit, just see how they persecute legal pot states dispensiaries. Trudging on states rights, I almost see why they attacked Fort Sumpter.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Pardon the slight derail but 40 miles north of me in Newark, NJ (A real ghetto craphole for all those who do not know,used to be the car theft capital of the world, now it is gang ridden) , pot is a ticket/fine.

The town I live in on the Jersey Shore, you get a mugshot taken, and a booking, fingerprints taken, everything.

It is municipality based.

That is where my hellfire missile comment came from, sir.

Well you live in a place that has backwards views you either must deal with it or move to a state that allows you to smoke.Though the view is changing as more and more people see that the "War on Drugs" is a multibillion dollar waste of money.

Also if more people realized that waiting to eat pizza with your friends while playing "Golden Axe" and laughing non stop as your buddy beats the entire game without dying once because he is in the zone they would have a different view.

People still think that you become an axe murder after smoking kind of sad really because there are a ton of people that could smoke a joint instead of popping Prozac.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Well you live in a place that has backwards views you either must deal with it or move to a state that allows you to smoke.Though the view is changing as more and more people see that the "War on Drugs" is a multibillion dollar waste of money.

Also if more people realized that waiting to eat pizza with your friends while playing "Golden Axe" and laughing non stop as your buddy beats the entire game without dying once because he is in the zone they would have a different view.

People still think that you become an axe murder after smoking kind of sad really because there are a ton of people that could smoke a joint instead of popping Prozac.

Just for the record, I get tested at my job, I operate heavy machinery. I can get nailed even if I drink too close to the blood test.

Just saying, sorry to derail, again, I suck.

Not a stoner myself, used to be, but I do not see the harm in it (IMHO)

I am with you on the prozac and pot reference. Sadly we are potential drone hellfire missile targets because of it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Pardon the slight derail but 40 miles north of me in Newark, NJ (A real ghetto craphole for all those who do not know,used to be the car theft capital of the world, now it is gang ridden) , pot is a ticket/fine.

And what is Christie doing about it?

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

And what is Christie doing about it?

Actually trying to work across party lines...Unlike 90% of our government.

He was kicked out of the GOP "good ol boys" club for praising Obama on his response to Hurricane/superstorm Sandy.

Too bad congress crapped on our relief funds, I bet the red state tornado guys get the cash though, no obstruction or fillibusters at all!

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

You lost me Obama...

Good post, but you do not really think that a republican president would not have done that ? Of course he would have !
So I really wonder why republicans now bash Obama for using drones ..
I was astonished though Obama did it. What became of his promises, like Guantanamo. The nobel prize indeed.
If a 'democrat' Potus does the same as a 'republican' one, where is the choice ?