Barack Obama defends 'just war' using drones

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

A dealer or grower perhaps but a person just smoking pot in most states these days they will get a summons and pay a fine not much worse than a traffic violation.It depends on the state of course in a growing number a personal amount is not even a crime.

Pardon the slight derail but 40 miles north of me in Newark, NJ (A real ghetto craphole for all those who do not know,used to be the car theft capital of the world, now it is gang ridden) , pot is a ticket/fine.

The town I live in on the Jersey Shore, you get a mugshot taken, and a booking, fingerprints taken, everything. Middle class neighborhood, etc...

It is municipality based.

That is where my hellfire missile comment came from, sir.
The Federal Gov dictates laws as it sees fit, just see how they persecute legal pot states dispensiaries. Trudging on states rights, I almost see why they attacked Fort Sumpter.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Pardon the slight derail but 40 miles north of me in Newark, NJ (A real ghetto craphole for all those who do not know,used to be the car theft capital of the world, now it is gang ridden) , pot is a ticket/fine.

The town I live in on the Jersey Shore, you get a mugshot taken, and a booking, fingerprints taken, everything.

It is municipality based.

That is where my hellfire missile comment came from, sir.

Well you live in a place that has backwards views you either must deal with it or move to a state that allows you to smoke.Though the view is changing as more and more people see that the "War on Drugs" is a multibillion dollar waste of money.

Also if more people realized that waiting to eat pizza with your friends while playing "Golden Axe" and laughing non stop as your buddy beats the entire game without dying once because he is in the zone they would have a different view.

People still think that you become an axe murder after smoking kind of sad really because there are a ton of people that could smoke a joint instead of popping Prozac.

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The United States government definitively says it can kill its citizens if it's too inconvenient to arrest them and try them. That's the bottom line. If you think your government, no matter who is in the White House, should have that power, then you really don't care about your rights.

well then they need to send the drones after Obama and all his cronies because its obviously too inconvenient to arrest them and try them or even do a proper investigation on them.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

So if the President wanted you dead, all he'd have to do is say "AVG isn't a citizen anymore. Boom. Take him out."

There seems to be a fundamental flaw there...

The fundamental flow here is you making the process to simplistic. It is not quite as easy as picking up the red phone at 0100 and ordering a drone strike on my humble abode.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Pardon the slight derail but 40 miles north of me in Newark, NJ (A real ghetto craphole for all those who do not know,used to be the car theft capital of the world, now it is gang ridden) , pot is a ticket/fine.

And what is Christie doing about it?

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

And what is Christie doing about it?

Actually trying to work across party lines...Unlike 90% of our government.

He was kicked out of the GOP "good ol boys" club for praising Obama on his response to Hurricane/superstorm Sandy.

Too bad congress crapped on our relief funds, I bet the red state tornado guys get the cash though, no obstruction or fillibusters at all!

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

You lost me Obama...

Good post, but you do not really think that a republican president would not have done that ? Of course he would have !
So I really wonder why republicans now bash Obama for using drones ..
I was astonished though Obama did it. What became of his promises, like Guantanamo. The nobel prize indeed.
If a 'democrat' Potus does the same as a 'republican' one, where is the choice ?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Actually trying to work across party lines...Unlike 90% of our government.

He was kicked out of the GOP "good ol boys" club for praising Obama on his response to Hurricane/superstorm Sandy.

Too bad congress crapped on our relief funds, I bet the red state tornado guys get the cash though, no obstruction or fillibusters at all!

What party lines? A crap neighborhood in NJ. There is no party lines. Hurricane Sandy has nothing to do with my question. Obama is not mentioned. What is Christie doing about this neighborhood?

[GoldenRivet]

anyone notice how they called in drones to help find Christopher Dorner?

they went so far as to label him as a "Domestic Terrorist" at one point

how much further does this need to be pushed before you end up with a situation where a man on the run is labeled a domestic terrorist and gets a bomb dropped on him?

then the state tells the people "He was a bad guy, he was a domestic terrorist! we had to do this we had no choice"

how long before the people start buying those explanations as acceptable?

it is then... when it is not questioned or really thought about that anyone who questions the government, questions the president, questions authority - whatever - is suddenly a violent domestic terrorist and should be drone-smashed

Like it or not...

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

anyone notice how they called in drones to help find Christopher Dorner?

they went so far as to label him as a "Domestic Terrorist" at one point

The "they" here was the LAPD, who have come under massive criticism for how they handled this. Nobody further up the food chain considered Dorner a terrorist.

how much further does this need to be pushed before you end up with a situation where a man on the run is labeled a domestic terrorist and gets a bomb dropped on him?

Quite a lot further.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

The "they" here was the LAPD, who have come under massive criticism for how they handled this. Nobody further up the food chain considered Dorner a terrorist.

Quite a lot further.

I agree

but that it is even on the table is a problem

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Well you live in a place that has backwards views you either must deal with it or move to a state that allows you to smoke.Though the view is changing as more and more people see that the "War on Drugs" is a multibillion dollar waste of money.

Also if more people realized that waiting to eat pizza with your friends while playing "Golden Axe" and laughing non stop as your buddy beats the entire game without dying once because he is in the zone they would have a different view.

People still think that you become an axe murder after smoking kind of sad really because there are a ton of people that could smoke a joint instead of popping Prozac.

Just for the record, I get tested at my job, I operate heavy machinery. I can get nailed even if I drink too close to the blood test.

Just saying, sorry to derail, again, I suck.

Not a stoner myself, used to be, but I do not see the harm in it (IMHO)

I am with you on the prozac and pot reference. Sadly we are potential drone hellfire missile targets because of it.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What party lines? A crap neighborhood in NJ. There is no party lines. Hurricane Sandy has nothing to do with my question. Obama is not mentioned. What is Christie doing about this neighborhood?

He put a cap on property taxes, which NJ is highest in the nation on, My taxes rise every year, thanks to school unions, fleecing the taxpayers with no kids...

He stood up for NJ citizens getting screwed by insurance companies, and congress, when anytime a thunderstorm farts in a southern state, they get the dollars no freaking problem.

But with a blue state, it is a problem...

I can go on and on. He also adresses people in open town halls, no prescreened questions, or prescreened admissions, he talks to people on the radio weekly. adresses concerns, and even solves some citizens problems instantly, using his connections.

I live in NJ. I know what he has done, and I am making more money in his term. My property taxes actually stabilzed, rather than going up, as my house value dropped.

Once again I live in NJ, and go ahead make a stinky joke, but he has turned this state around, despite partisan crap.

(by the way I am left leaning, and Christie is a Republican, so yeah, I am judging what is best, and not my political leaning.)

(Edit: always a big fan of yours AVG, great plane, and even greater person. Please do not take my statements as hostility, simply debating a pal )

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I am with you on the prozac and pot reference. Sadly we are potential drone hellfire missile targets because of it.

Were did you read that you are a target if you are on prozac or smoke pot? Last time I check a few states legalized pot. Prozac is a prescribed medication.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

He put a cap on property taxes, which NJ is highest in the nation on, My taxes rise every year, thanks to school unions, fleecing the taxpayers with no kids...

He stood up for NJ citizens getting screwed by insurance companies, and congress, when anytime a thunderstorm farts in a southern state, they get the dollars no freaking problem.

But with a blue state, it is a problem...

I can go on and on. He also adresses people in open town halls, no prescreened questions, or prescreened admissions.

I live in NJ. I know what he has done, and I am making more money in his term. My property taxes actually stabilzed, rather than going up, as mu house value dropped.

Once again I live in NJ, and go ahead make a stinky joke, but he has turned this state around, despite partisan crap.

None of what stated has helped the

Newark, NJ (A real ghetto craphole for all those who do not know,used to be the car theft capital of the world, now it is gang ridden) , pot is a ticket/fine.

What are you afraid of in the real "ghetto" crap hole? Why has Christie not cleaned up Newark? Will not help him politically no reason to address the ghetto?