Murder in London

Oberon · 05-22-13, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bertieck476

Ah; but its not, they only attack those unable to defend themselves.

Because we have never killed anyone who didn't have a gun in their hand...

bertieck476 · 05-22-13, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Because we have never killed anyone who didn't have a gun in their hand...

Are you suggesting that its ok to run someone down with a car, then while they are incapacitated you hack them up and behead them ??

Oberon · 05-22-13, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bertieck476

Are you suggesting that its ok to run someone down with a car, then while they are incapacitated you hack them up and behead them ??

It's not particularly pleasant, no, but it's also not particularly pleasant to have a 500lb bomb land on your house.

Still, it's a good day for the English Defence League, UKIP and BNP, they will be rubbing their hands in glee.

Stealhead · 05-22-13, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

It's not particularly pleasant, no, but it's also not particularly pleasant to have a 500lb bomb land on your house.

Still, it's a good day for the English Defence League, UKIP and BNP, they will be rubbing their hands in glee.

I have a sneaking suspicion that neither of the two attackers ever had a 500 pound bomb land on their house though making your first point a bit invalid.

mookiemookie · 05-22-13, 06:31 PM

Absolutely bizarre. My heart goes out to the family of that poor soldier.

Oberon · 05-22-13, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

I have a sneaking suspicion that neither of the two attackers ever had a 500 pound bomb land on their house though making your first point a bit invalid.

Probably.
I shouldn't have made comments in this thread anyway. I'll stop now.

Rockstar · 05-22-13, 10:17 PM

Murder in London, right. But what is the motive? According to the troubled youth and his accomplice "We want to start a war in London tonight." In the name of Allah of course. But nothing to worry about as its just another isolated incident.

Btw major kudos goes out to Ingrid Loyau-Kennett. She's one brave woman

Red October1984 · 05-22-13, 10:41 PM

I just saw the coverage of this on CNN.

The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns.

I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like. Like the time where Jean Charles de Menezes was shot 7 times in the back of the head because they mistook him for a bombing suspect. Maybe I'm only seeing one side of this. It's an issue for the British people to decide on.

The only thing they could do was perfectly capture the man, the blood, the weapons and the confession on camera. Gee, nobody thought "Let's tackle the guy?" or anything like that?

Stealhead · 05-22-13, 10:45 PM

You should look up the number of firearms incidents involving law enforcement in the US.Be careful looking up things on Wikipedia not every article on there is bias free.

And nine fatal incidents in 30 years that is very low a large city such as New York has that many in two or three years with about the same number of armed officers.They did seem to say that police had done nothing wrong in every case but that tends to be the case in the US as well.The English tally does not include incidents in Norther Ireland but that is an entire ball of yarn all together.

My understanding is that the men had both a firearm and a machete style weapon if someone had already used these weapons and still had them in their possession and did not comply with me I'd blow their head off too who they had killed would not be relevant either.Someone brandishing any edged weapon is a lethal threat if they are within 25 feet of you.A person brandishing an edged weapon and also not complying and also assaulted a person places them selves at the top of the use of force pyramid.

Jimbuna · 05-23-13, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

I just saw the coverage of this on CNN.

The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns.

I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like. Like the time where Jean Charles de Menezes was shot 7 times in the back of the head because they mistook him for a bombing suspect. Maybe I'm only seeing one side of this. It's an issue for the British people to decide on.

The only thing they could do was perfectly capture the man, the blood, the weapons and the confession on camera. Gee, nobody thought "Let's tackle the guy?" or anything like that?

When I read these comments and think of an appropriate response I say to myself "No, don't get involved...it's not really necessary".

Stealhead in his immediate response just about sums it up more professionally than I might have.

Herr-Berbunch · 05-23-13, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns.

I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like.

Sorry, and you live where? Oh, in that country where one man can kill as many in one day as the British Police have done (rightly or wrongly) in over 30 years.

In just one month this year (March, according to your favourite Wiki) there have been 25 fatal shootings in the US by police, January was 42 - Happy New Year! By Contrast February was a good month, only 15.

Saying the British Police are very, very, very, very trigger happy is way off the mark, I'm sure even if you included data from Northern Ireland it would still be way below that of your good ol' law enforcement officers - and I'm not saying that yours are very, very, very, very trigger happy, just moreso.

05-23-13, 01:39 AM

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Still, it's a good day for the English Defence League, UKIP and BNP, they will be rubbing their hands in glee.

The EDL unsurprisingly showed themselves for what they are last night.

05-23-13, 01:42 AM

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Agree. If it were me, (if I was old enough to have a CCW) I'd defend somebody under attack.

Remember the incident with Gifford?

05-22-13, 06:31 PM	#5
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05-22-13, 10:41 PM	#8
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	I just saw the coverage of this on CNN. The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns. I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like. Like the time where Jean Charles de Menezes was shot 7 times in the back of the head because they mistook him for a bombing suspect. Maybe I'm only seeing one side of this. It's an issue for the British people to decide on. The only thing they could do was perfectly capture the man, the blood, the weapons and the confession on camera. Gee, nobody thought "Let's tackle the guy?" or anything like that? __________________

05-22-13, 10:45 PM	#9
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	You should look up the number of firearms incidents involving law enforcement in the US.Be careful looking up things on Wikipedia not every article on there is bias free. And nine fatal incidents in 30 years that is very low a large city such as New York has that many in two or three years with about the same number of armed officers.They did seem to say that police had done nothing wrong in every case but that tends to be the case in the US as well.The English tally does not include incidents in Norther Ireland but that is an entire ball of yarn all together. My understanding is that the men had both a firearm and a machete style weapon if someone had already used these weapons and still had them in their possession and did not comply with me I'd blow their head off too who they had killed would not be relevant either.Someone brandishing any edged weapon is a lethal threat if they are within 25 feet of you.A person brandishing an edged weapon and also not complying and also assaulted a person places them selves at the top of the use of force pyramid. Last edited by Stealhead; 05-22-13 at 11:07 PM.

05-22-13, 10:17 PM	#7
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Murder in London, right. But what is the motive? According to the troubled youth and his accomplice "We want to start a war in London tonight." In the name of Allah of course. But nothing to worry about as its just another isolated incident. Btw major kudos goes out to Ingrid Loyau-Kennett. She's one brave woman