Murder in London

Stealhead · 05-22-13, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

It's not particularly pleasant, no, but it's also not particularly pleasant to have a 500lb bomb land on your house.

Still, it's a good day for the English Defence League, UKIP and BNP, they will be rubbing their hands in glee.

I have a sneaking suspicion that neither of the two attackers ever had a 500 pound bomb land on their house though making your first point a bit invalid.

mookiemookie · 05-22-13, 06:31 PM

Absolutely bizarre. My heart goes out to the family of that poor soldier.

Oberon · 05-22-13, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

I have a sneaking suspicion that neither of the two attackers ever had a 500 pound bomb land on their house though making your first point a bit invalid.

Probably.
I shouldn't have made comments in this thread anyway. I'll stop now.

Rockstar · 05-22-13, 10:17 PM

Murder in London, right. But what is the motive? According to the troubled youth and his accomplice "We want to start a war in London tonight." In the name of Allah of course. But nothing to worry about as its just another isolated incident.

Btw major kudos goes out to Ingrid Loyau-Kennett. She's one brave woman

Red October1984 · 05-22-13, 10:41 PM

I just saw the coverage of this on CNN.

The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns.

I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like. Like the time where Jean Charles de Menezes was shot 7 times in the back of the head because they mistook him for a bombing suspect. Maybe I'm only seeing one side of this. It's an issue for the British people to decide on.

The only thing they could do was perfectly capture the man, the blood, the weapons and the confession on camera. Gee, nobody thought "Let's tackle the guy?" or anything like that?

Stealhead · 05-22-13, 10:45 PM

You should look up the number of firearms incidents involving law enforcement in the US.Be careful looking up things on Wikipedia not every article on there is bias free.

And nine fatal incidents in 30 years that is very low a large city such as New York has that many in two or three years with about the same number of armed officers.They did seem to say that police had done nothing wrong in every case but that tends to be the case in the US as well.The English tally does not include incidents in Norther Ireland but that is an entire ball of yarn all together.

My understanding is that the men had both a firearm and a machete style weapon if someone had already used these weapons and still had them in their possession and did not comply with me I'd blow their head off too who they had killed would not be relevant either.Someone brandishing any edged weapon is a lethal threat if they are within 25 feet of you.A person brandishing an edged weapon and also not complying and also assaulted a person places them selves at the top of the use of force pyramid.

Red October1984 · 05-22-13, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

You should look up the number of firearms incidents involving law enforcement in the US.Be careful looking up things on Wikipedia not every article on there is bias free.

I don't even want to know how many American Law Enforcement gun incidents happen. There was one at my local county Sheriff's Office a while back. This female cop was at this person's house. She suddenly "feels threatened" by the citizen's pet Chihuahua so she pulls out her pistol. She fired once, only wounding the pet. She had to continue firing to finish the job...

They took her to court and she eventually ended up "resigning."

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My understanding is that the men had both a firearm and a machete style weapon if someone had already used these weapons and still had them in their possession and did not comply with me I'd blow their head off too who they had killed would not be relevant either.Someone brandishing any edged weapon is a lethal threat if they are within 25 feet of you.A person brandishing an edged weapon and also not complying and also assaulted a person places themselves at the top of the use of force pyramid.

Agree. If it were me, (if I was old enough to have a CCW) I'd defend somebody under attack. There is a bill in the Missouri congress that will lower the CCW age to 19 among other things....

(That could be good or bad) I'm not crazy or anything like that....but I'd like to be able to carry a weapon with me in dangerous areas. No, these aren't just comments from "that american teenager who wants to have a gun to feel cool." I don't want to be a victim or a statistic. I'd rather have it and not use it than not have it and need it.

Sailor Steve · 05-23-13, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

I'm not crazy or anything like that...

You know that's the first thing the crazy people always say...

As for the rest, I understand your fears and feelings on the subject.

Jimbuna · 05-23-13, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

I just saw the coverage of this on CNN.

The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns.

I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like. Like the time where Jean Charles de Menezes was shot 7 times in the back of the head because they mistook him for a bombing suspect. Maybe I'm only seeing one side of this. It's an issue for the British people to decide on.

The only thing they could do was perfectly capture the man, the blood, the weapons and the confession on camera. Gee, nobody thought "Let's tackle the guy?" or anything like that?

When I read these comments and think of an appropriate response I say to myself "No, don't get involved...it's not really necessary".

Stealhead in his immediate response just about sums it up more professionally than I might have.

BossMark · 05-23-13, 05:05 AM

I am at a loss for words or words that I cant use on these forums about what I think to those 2 bastards who did this horrific attack

Skybird · 05-23-13, 05:33 AM

Allahu akbar.

MH · 05-23-13, 05:40 AM

Allah yahtak.

Herr-Berbunch · 05-23-13, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red October1984

The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns.

I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like.

Sorry, and you live where? Oh, in that country where one man can kill as many in one day as the British Police have done (rightly or wrongly) in over 30 years.

In just one month this year (March, according to your favourite Wiki) there have been 25 fatal shootings in the US by police, January was 42 - Happy New Year! By Contrast February was a good month, only 15.

Saying the British Police are very, very, very, very trigger happy is way off the mark, I'm sure even if you included data from Northern Ireland it would still be way below that of your good ol' law enforcement officers - and I'm not saying that yours are very, very, very, very trigger happy, just moreso.

BossMark · 05-23-13, 10:34 AM

@Red October1984
Lets look at it like this if some lunatic terrorist scum are coming at you with weapons drawn and it comes down to you or the vile evil terrorist scum it would be very hard not to shoot the bastard wouldn't it. And that's not being trigger happy its preserving your own life as well as others.

Skybird · 05-23-13, 10:42 AM

Info on the identity of the two suspects gets reported. One is a Nigerian with British passport, coming from a devout Christian family but then converted to Islam. The other so far is not being mentioned. Both are known to the police from earlier incidents. Investigation into them showed them to be no danger. Which again shows that this kind of guys cannot be profiled. The attackers in London some years ago, did not match terrorist profiles. The attackers in Madrid years ago also did not.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468

05-22-13, 06:31 PM	#2
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Absolutely bizarre. My heart goes out to the family of that poor soldier. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

05-22-13, 10:41 PM	#5
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	I just saw the coverage of this on CNN. The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns. I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like. Like the time where Jean Charles de Menezes was shot 7 times in the back of the head because they mistook him for a bombing suspect. Maybe I'm only seeing one side of this. It's an issue for the British people to decide on. The only thing they could do was perfectly capture the man, the blood, the weapons and the confession on camera. Gee, nobody thought "Let's tackle the guy?" or anything like that? __________________

05-22-13, 10:45 PM	#6
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	You should look up the number of firearms incidents involving law enforcement in the US.Be careful looking up things on Wikipedia not every article on there is bias free. And nine fatal incidents in 30 years that is very low a large city such as New York has that many in two or three years with about the same number of armed officers.They did seem to say that police had done nothing wrong in every case but that tends to be the case in the US as well.The English tally does not include incidents in Norther Ireland but that is an entire ball of yarn all together. My understanding is that the men had both a firearm and a machete style weapon if someone had already used these weapons and still had them in their possession and did not comply with me I'd blow their head off too who they had killed would not be relevant either.Someone brandishing any edged weapon is a lethal threat if they are within 25 feet of you.A person brandishing an edged weapon and also not complying and also assaulted a person places them selves at the top of the use of force pyramid. Last edited by Stealhead; 05-22-13 at 11:07 PM.

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BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	I am at a loss for words or words that I cant use on these forums about what I think to those 2 bastards who did this horrific attack __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Allahu akbar. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Murder in London, right. But what is the motive? According to the troubled youth and his accomplice "We want to start a war in London tonight." In the name of Allah of course. But nothing to worry about as its just another isolated incident. Btw major kudos goes out to Ingrid Loyau-Kennett. She's one brave woman

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MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Allah yahtak.

05-23-13, 10:34 AM	#14
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	@Red October1984 Lets look at it like this if some lunatic terrorist scum are coming at you with weapons drawn and it comes down to you or the vile evil terrorist scum it would be very hard not to shoot the bastard wouldn't it. And that's not being trigger happy its preserving your own life as well as others. __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

05-23-13, 10:42 AM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Info on the identity of the two suspects gets reported. One is a Nigerian with British passport, coming from a devout Christian family but then converted to Islam. The other so far is not being mentioned. Both are known to the police from earlier incidents. Investigation into them showed them to be no danger. Which again shows that this kind of guys cannot be profiled. The attackers in London some years ago, did not match terrorist profiles. The attackers in Madrid years ago also did not. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.