Your money's no longer safe

Oberon · 03-26-13, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I bought forest with my money. Hopefully it will bring in a fair amount of money from logging for retirement.

A good investment. No matter how cheap electricity may get in the future, there will always be a demand for open fires and wood to go on them. Not to mention wood for environmentally friendly buildings and so forth.
That's the beauty of wood, unlike coal and oil, if done right it's sustainable over a shorter period.

03-27-13, 02:49 AM

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I can't help but be reminded of a young Vladimir Ilyich Ulanov

All extremists end up sounding the same.

Skybird · 03-27-13, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

A good investment. No matter how cheap electricity may get in the future, there will always be a demand for open fires and wood to go on them. Not to mention wood for environmentally friendly buildings and so forth.
That's the beauty of wood, unlike coal and oil, if done right it's sustainable over a shorter period.

Do you knbow how high special payments and taxes were for German landlords and house owners in the terrible years of the 20s of the past century? Many shot a bullet through their head.

If the system collapses, nothing saves you. Not gold. Not property. Not stocks. Nothing. The state always has the longer lever to steal from you.

August · 03-27-13, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

If the system collapses, nothing saves you. Not gold. Not property. Not stocks. Nothing. The state always has the longer lever to steal from you.

What state?

If the system collapses so does the state. The worst you're going to have to fear is a local potentate filling the power vacuum.

Skybird · 03-27-13, 10:02 AM

The state that not only collects taxes from you, but that also has the power to rule by itself how much it is about to steal from you. The state that has the power to put its hands even deeper into your pockets when it decides that this is desirable to please the crowd or to delay the unmasking of its own failure, financially. The state that makes the laws you have to comply with else they go after you. The state that lives at your cost but does not produce anything, just takes from you and takes more and more: more of your money. More of your freedom. More of your property. More of your rights.

It is not in the interest of the democratic state to foster and to hold together the common and poublic wealthg, since the actors acting on behalf of the state know they rule for limited time only and do not own the capitalstock. They only can use and profit of the interest they are granted with by temporarily using the capitalstock. So their interest is not directed at the long-termed future, but at maximising income in the shortest ammount of time possible. Raising debts and collecting more taxes are the tools of choice.

Ask yourself why today there is a total tax burden (all txes togather) of around 50%, while a hundred and two hundred years ago in many countries it was just 5-8%. Ask yourself why in the US the number of laws and regulations for all and everything have grown by a factor of beyond 200 in the past 25 years alone. The act of ever growing law canons indicates that there is anything but stability and trustworthiness of laws. The law is made by lobbyists and elitists and that you have ever changing regulations juts illustrates how fluid and unstable the law indeed is. Public law goes before private law now, and public law means the claim of the common public for everything anybody owns, and has even gone beyond that in parts of the Western world, now also regulating what people according to public "consensus" should think and voice in opinion in order to not getting criminalized, defamed or discriminated.

Yes, all that is Hoppe again. And yes, if you think it has the smell of pure socialism and collectivism around it, than you are right.

I HATE collectivism.

03-27-13, 10:02 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,647 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The state that not only collects taxes from you, but that also has the power to rule by itself how much it is about to steal from you. The state that has the power to put its hands even deeper into your pockets when it decides that this is desirable to please the crowd or to delay the unmasking of its own failure, financially. The state that makes the laws you have to comply with else they go after you. The state that lives at your cost but does not produce anything, just takes from you and takes more and more: more of your money. More of your freedom. More of your property. More of your rights. It is not in the interest of the democratic state to foster and to hold together the common and poublic wealthg, since the actors acting on behalf of the state know they rule for limited time only and do not own the capitalstock. They only can use and profit of the interest they are granted with by temporarily using the capitalstock. So their interest is not directed at the long-termed future, but at maximising income in the shortest ammount of time possible. Raising debts and collecting more taxes are the tools of choice. Ask yourself why today there is a total tax burden (all txes togather) of around 50%, while a hundred and two hundred years ago in many countries it was just 5-8%. Ask yourself why in the US the number of laws and regulations for all and everything have grown by a factor of beyond 200 in the past 25 years alone. The act of ever growing law canons indicates that there is anything but stability and trustworthiness of laws. The law is made by lobbyists and elitists and that you have ever changing regulations juts illustrates how fluid and unstable the law indeed is. Public law goes before private law now, and public law means the claim of the common public for everything anybody owns, and has even gone beyond that in parts of the Western world, now also regulating what people according to public "consensus" should think and voice in opinion in order to not getting criminalized, defamed or discriminated. Yes, all that is Hoppe again. And yes, if you think it has the smell of pure socialism and collectivism around it, than you are right. I HATE collectivism. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.