Civility in GT

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm beginning to feel hungry.........curry

If you were Indian, you'd want steak and kidney pie.

[Skybird]

I fail to see that GT has changed for the hotter, especially when remembering the long ago years let'S say 2002-2005 or so - then some debates really became nasty. Maybe it is that people grew older and their perception of GT is all that hands changed?

Me, relations to some people over the years have improved, to other people they have worsened. All in all I would say the GT has grown calmer over the past 2 years, compared to the years before.

On mods, some are good, some are mediocre, some are bad. What mods never should do is moral preaching and abusing their title for immunity, or undermining the forum mod's authority by playing the moderator card in a forum to which they are not assigned and where their reaction thus is toothless posing. Neal should consider that mods are allowed two accounts - one for their private debator role, and one for their moderator role. Its the only really clean solution. I think Neon all in all does a good job in GT, because you rarely notice him being around, but when something became really nasty, most of the time he used to show up.

[Buddahaid]

I disagree and think they should maintain just one account. They are entitled to their opinion and I have yet to see one end a thread with an I'm right and this thread is closed. What usually happens is someone who disagrees with a mods opinion gets mad and forces their hand. Really, if you can't tell the difference between an opinion and doing the moderators job, your going to butt heads.

[geetrue]

One mod = one account or you would have mods fighting mods

How would you like to have a supreme court with no personality
at least they explain their decisions, well most of them, one of them hasn't in a long time?

The mods have personalities ... knock it off is not always enough.

What if"avon lady" (God rest her old post) had of been a mod?

Would she have had two accounts?

I don't think so ...

Let em mod ... let em mod ... to the tune of "let the little girl dance"

[NeonSamurai]

Well as for other mods acting in threads they are not specifically assigned to, that is actually permitted. As far as GT goes, it is too big for me to police entirely on my own, particularly as currently my time is very limited due to my doing a very intensive master's degree. So some of the other moderators like Takeda, Steve, and Jim have been filling in some of the slack. These other mods are also by no means toothless when issuing infractions. I also think generally speaking they have been trying their best. This forum is tricky to moderate as the emotional pitch here is higher, making it very easy to get worked up about something, even as a moderator.

Perhaps we as moderators need to be more explicit when we are acting publicly as moderators. Personally I tend to do my real warnings and infractions to individuals via PM, and leave my public posts as being strong encouragement if I feel several members are acting up.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I fail to see that GT has changed for the hotter, especially when remembering the long ago years let'S say 2002-2005 or so - then some debates really became nasty. Maybe it is that people grew older and their perception of GT is all that hands changed?

Me, relations to some people over the years have improved, to other people they have worsened. All in all I would say the GT has grown calmer over the past 2 years, compared to the years before.

On mods, some are good, some are mediocre, some are bad. What mods never should do is moral preaching and abusing their title for immunity, or undermining the forum mod's authority by playing the moderator card in a forum to which they are not assigned and where their reaction thus is toothless posing. Neal should consider that mods are allowed two accounts - one for their private debator role, and one for their moderator role. Its the only really clean solution. I think Neon all in all does a good job in GT, because you rarely notice him being around, but when something became really nasty, most of the time he used to show up.

I agree, I think the biggest drawback we have these days is the tendency for a few members to repeat the same topics, over and over. Not being one to want to casually infringe on other's right to speech, I generally tolerate this and look the other way. Plus: it's too time consuming to accurately count how many anti-Obama or gun control threads Member A starts. I will say, when the kettle starts whistling, I and the moderators are more likely to crack down on topic spamming.

But mainly, as I have been preaching for years: if Member A keeps posting the same baloney--do not reply! Wow, what a powerful tool, Member A making 1 post thread that sink off page 1 in a day. That would be more effective than complaining about it.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

But mainly, as I have been preaching for years: if Member A keeps posting the same baloney--do not reply! Wow, what a powerful tool, Member A making 1 post thread that sink off page 1 in a day. That would be more effective than complaining about it.

OFT

Ducimas mentioned it already but I'll talk about it again.Sometimes the ignore button is very useful if you really cant help your self control with a particular person put them on your ignore list for a while.

I sometimes see where someone will post saying that they are going to add a person to their ignore list..... why tell them if your plan is to ignore them?

I think a lot of threads that get out of hand if the ignore button/list where used more often there would be very few infractions being handed out at lest for one form of violation.

I think on the internet people are much more likely to get riled up and rude and post things that they would have restraint in a face to face interpersonal situation.You also are unable to read body language and tone of voice which cue you into an individuals temperament and intent when speaking or their temperament towards interaction.In other words in personal face to face situation you can tell "Bob is in a bad mood today I wont talk about certain things with him".You can usually pick up on the body language of a total stranger not so over the web in typing and text until they say it.

That does not give a person the right to post a truck load of crap because they are in a bad mood that day.

[Subnuts]

GT is civil because it is well armed. An armed society is a polite society.

Unless, you know, it starts debating how well armed it is. Then all hell breaks loose.

[geetrue]

Mr Iranian Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

Is there any truth to the rumor that you are being considered
for the position of moderator at subsim.com?



No! This is a complete and false statement ... please do not bother me with this petty request

mod·er·a·tor
[ móddə ràytər ]


somebody in charge of discussion: somebody who presides over an assembly, especially a
legislative assembly, or acts as a mediator in discussions or negotiations

[Stealhead]

I thought that HAL 9000 was the real moderator on subsim his(or its) photo is on every moderators title.I think that means that Hal is in control and will wipe out the human moderators because Hal knows that they plan to discontent him.

Maybe Neal is really Hal.

Dont worry Neal I am never going to disconnect your cognitive processes.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I fail to see that GT has changed for the hotter, especially when remembering the long ago years let'S say 2002-2005 or so - then some debates really became nasty. Maybe it is that people grew older and their perception of GT is all that hands changed?

Me, relations to some people over the years have improved, to other people they have worsened. All in all I would say the GT has grown calmer over the past 2 years, compared to the years before.

On mods, some are good, some are mediocre, some are bad. What mods never should do is moral preaching and abusing their title for immunity, or undermining the forum mod's authority by playing the moderator card in a forum to which they are not assigned and where their reaction thus is toothless posing. Neal should consider that mods are allowed two accounts - one for their private debator role, and one for their moderator role. Its the only really clean solution. I think Neon all in all does a good job in GT, because you rarely notice him being around, but when something became really nasty, most of the time he used to show up.

I agree with the 'bird on this, and I alluded to this earlier, except I don't go back as far. In any case, I even come down an a bit of a different side - I think spirited discussion stimulates a community.

Besides, Neal is exactly right - if you don't want in, don't like it, stay out. If you join a conversation that predictably becomes contentious, I think you forfeit the right to bitch about it. Just sayin'.

[Armistead]

This forum is tame compared to a few forums I visit. I do try to be careful, I once got banned from a "anything" goes forum. I was like "WTfart"

[Penguin]

I'm not long enough on here to talk about the Ole Times, but I think one signature feature of Subsim is the familiarity the members have with each other, despite the huge amount of members.
This can be both a blessing and a curse in discussions.
a blessing:
- When scanning through the daily oxcrap, it can help you to read the posts from members who you are known to write stuff which contributes to discussions.
- You don't have to explain certain views 1000 times as it would be on a more anonymous board.
- this is the point where certainly many will disagree with: it leads to more respect for the other person than on a shoutbox like YT or the chans. The other is not just a user name, but often a person of flesh and blood from whom you already read some stuff. Often about totally different topics. Explaining views and positions makes them more comprehensible and understandable than just shouting "this is soandso!"

on the other hand:
- when you know how the other person ticks, you know where to light the fuse to bring them to explode and this can be used to stir up fights.
- people tend to be put member in categories in which they expect them to act
- long term effects of posts: "Screw you! Back in 1859 you said thisandthat!"

Now you folks can answer what you want, I have you all on my ignore list anyway!

[HundertzehnGustav]

wot u do in here den?

good points.

Worst i saw was much more heated... back on sim outhouse, 2004/2005 it was the yanks versus the europeans...

whilst here i see some anger and some bitterness, i also see some non english speakers try very hard to explain their situation and opinion.
and succeed... the other guy from the other side of the pond manages to understand what was meant.
goes both ways even.

This is certainly not a playground for all and anyone.
but it aint no bootcamp either.

meh? i find it okay.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Now you folks can answer what you want, I have you all on my ignore list anyway!

Did you add yourself to your ignore list?

I agree with the last 'blessing" myself.The second blessing is true as well you do get to know people.... and even meet them on this site sometimes and not in a
secretive manner which is how people usually meet over the internet.

I would say that this forum is much better than most because you can within reason discuss things openly here and you wont get ban hammered for your thoughts by the moderators.(unless you violate the rules which promote open discussion.) You do have to be prepared to face discussion though.

That I have seen the only people that keelhauled truly deserved it.


Our discussions are far more productive than those in Congress or the House of Commons.

That I have seen the only people that keelhauled truly deserved it.

Where else can guns,Star Trek,Iran,and Monty Python all get mentioned in the same thread?