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[yubba]

Originally Posted by August

Unfortunately this has gone on long before Sandy Hook. A couple years ago we had a kid up this way suspended for putting Army men on his hat:




http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/0...island_061710/

And don't forget the pop tart that was nibbled into a shape that looked like a gun that got a 7 year old suspended or the hellow kitty bubble gun,, the mere mention of it got a little girl labeled a terrorist, didn't I have a thread stateing Progressive Liberalism was a mental disorder, even I'm starting to believe the stuff I write....

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

You say that overhyping things is not the right thing to do. In your previous sentence you say that the Sandy Hook shooting "has ruined America".

It's ruined America because of overhyping. Everybody is paranoid now even more than they used to be.

That kid with the hat is terrible. It's one thing to suspend a kid for guns....but it's another to suspend him because he's using toys to honor the troops. Both situations cross the line....but honoring the troops.....

Dang....you can't suspend a kid because he supports the troops. My infamous history teacher was the one that told me that nobody cares about the troops and that nobody cares about the troops that are dying.

I have lots of military members in my family. I just about got up and left. I felt like punching her but I wouldn't do that.

She hates me...and i'm fine with that if she hates US Soldiers. I don't want anything to do with her. When she said that, the last ounce of personal respect for her that I had left just disappeared. I have to get along with her professionally because she's my teacher....but that doesn't mean I have to associate with her at any other time of the day than between 10:08 and 11:03 AM

[Oberon]

Snag is RO, EVERYTHING seems to be overhyped in America these days.

Everything is blown out of all proportions.

Case in point the recent thread on the proposal by Feinstein. Anyone who knew politics knew that it didn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of passing, and yet it's turned into some sort of massive assault on American liberty even though it was pretty obvious that it was going to fail.

So you've got people on the left accusing everything of being a fascist plot, or that the right is going to use guns to impose military law on America, or that they're not caring about their kids because they have guns, etc, etc.
Then you've got people on the right who are accusing everything of being a communist plot to take over America, take away the Second Amendment and their guns, and send everyone to FEMA death camps.

There's NO middle ground, at least there isn't on the internet anyway, and both sides just keep shouting louder and louder at each other while the rest of the world looks on in a mixture of horror and bemusement.

[August]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

She hates me...and i'm fine with that if she hates US Soldiers. I don't want anything to do with her. When she said that, the last ounce of personal respect for her that I had left just disappeared. I have to get along with her professionally because she's my teacher....but that doesn't mean I have to associate with her at any other time of the day than between 10:08 and 11:03 AM

Nor do you have to take her hatred in silence RO. A letter to the school board and/or the local newspaper will at least draw attention to her lack of professionalism. After all you can hardly make her hate you any more than she does already.

Just have all your ducats in order first. Facts are key in such things. Testimony from your fellow students will help too.

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Snag is RO, EVERYTHING seems to be overhyped in America these days.

Everything is blown out of all proportions.

Case in point the recent thread on the proposal by Feinstein. Anyone who knew politics knew that it didn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of passing, and yet it's turned into some sort of massive assault on American liberty even though it was pretty obvious that it was going to fail.

So you've got people on the left accusing everything of being a fascist plot, or that the right is going to use guns to impose military law on America, or that they're not caring about their kids because they have guns, etc, etc.
Then you've got people on the right who are accusing everything of being a communist plot to take over America, take away the Second Amendment and their guns, and send everyone to FEMA death camps.

There's NO middle ground, at least there isn't on the internet anyway, and both sides just keep shouting louder and louder at each other while the rest of the world looks on in a mixture of horror and bemusement.

Unfortunately Oberon it's a fact of life these days (and maybe always) that in American politics unless you fight back just as hard as you are attacked on an issue then just about anything can and will be rammed into law.

You might think that Feinsteins bill had no chance of succeeding but that's only true because gun rights supporters pushed back just as hard as it was promoted to keep it from gaining momentum. You need to blow the bugle loudly when calling the troops to form up otherwise you won't get their attention.

Another aspect is that both sides are not only playing to their base but also trying to influence the undecided and disinterested Their opinion almost always decides the issue and unfortunately they have a disturbing tendency to believe what isn't denied and countered.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

Unfortunately Oberon it's a fact of life these days (and maybe always) that in American politics unless you fight back just as hard as you are attacked on an issue then just about anything can and will be rammed into law.

You might think that Feinsteins bill had no chance of succeeding but that's only true because gun rights supporters pushed back just as hard as it was promoted to keep it from gaining momentum. You need to blow the bugle loudly when calling the troops to form up otherwise you won't get their attention.

Another aspect is that both sides are not only playing to their base but also trying to influence the undecided and disinterested Their opinion almost always decides the issue and unfortunately they have a disturbing tendency to believe what isn't denied and countered.

There is an old saying, I can't remember who first said it, that the only time that America has ever been united on something was when you had the War of Independence, and I'm sure that even then there was dissent in the ranks. It is a fact of life in many politics I think that the loudest voice tends to get the most attention, and I think it's the modern media that we have to thank for the fact that American politics gets so much attention globally. If we all got our news and communications purely through newspapers and telegraphs I think that these storms of emotion would be less frequent, but admittedly bigger when they broke.
I understand what you mean on those who believe what isn't denied or countered, those would be the 'Kardhassian' (or however it's spelt) watchers one would presume, who simply believe whatever is put in front of them. Although that being said, there are left and right wing versions of those, people who find it easier to just parrot what's told them than to actually think for themselves. I find it saddening that such people seem to hold such sway over a nation or organisation, but that is politics.
In regards to countering Feinsteins law, I fully expecting the gun supporters to oppose it, and in the way that America has been since the Sandy Hook shooting, I would have expected that very few trumpets were needed to be blown for the troops to pay attention, since they have been standing at attention since 20th January 2009 but when you blow the trumpet too many times, you get the 'Boy who cried wolf' syndrome, and eventually more and more people disregard the message you're trying to get across, until it gets to the point when you really need someone to listen, and it's too late. It could be argued that Britain has passed that point, there are few in this nation who really care about politics any more since we have widely dismissed most politicians as utterly useless and yet there is too much apathy to replace them because no-one knows what they would be replaced by. Heck, maybe one day someone will elect a computer into office and we'll all be governed by machines....but I digress.
I think that, given the emotion around this topic, there is going to have to be further discussion between the two parties involved in the interpretation of the Second Amendment, primarily pro and anti-gun lobbyists and some form of compromise is going to have to be reached, if not now then certainly within the next decade, because now we're in a world of instant news and communication, the public has a greater consciousness and it fears what it sees whenever a lunatic gets a hold of a gun and kills a bunch of kids. Any such compromise is going to have to involve both an address of gun regulations as well as an address of mental health care and the entire system that should be in place to deny these sort of people access to weaponry that can cause mass casualties with relative ease.
At the moment, however, one side wants all and the other wants nothing, and there's, coming back to my earlier point, nothing in between. That's a receipe for trouble.

You might think that Feinsteins bill had no chance of succeeding but that's only true because gun rights supporters pushed back just as hard as it was promoted to keep it from gaining momentum. You need to blow the bugle loudly when calling the troops to form up otherwise you won't get their attention.

if that were true then why did the 2003/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 bills fail as they didn't have the same level of loud dog whistles blowings or the same amount of daily crazy conspiracy theories being spouted in objection.

Evidence would suggest that Oberon is correct and that you are seriously overstating your case to the point of being wildly incorrect.

I understand what you mean on those who believe what isn't denied or countered, those would be the 'Kardhassian' (or however it's spelt) watchers one would presume, who simply believe whatever is put in front of them. Although that being said, there are left and right wing versions of those, people who find it easier to just parrot what's told them than to actually think for themselves. I find it saddening that such people seem to hold such sway over a nation or organisation, but that is politics.

True, the recent rash of guns topics has contained an amazing amount of parrot fodder.

[nikimcbee]

I better not post any of my re-enacting photos then.

[Aramike]

Guns, bad.

[nikimcbee]

boobies good

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by August

Nor do you have to take her hatred in silence RO. A letter to the school board and/or the local newspaper will at least draw attention to her lack of professionalism. After all you can hardly make her hate you any more than she does already.

Just have all your ducats in order first. Facts are key in such things. Testimony from your fellow students will help too.

Haha....as much as I'd like to, I doubt it would work. If it gets any worse, I'm thinking about going to the superintendent of the school, who i'm friends with. I'm thinking she hates me because I'm Conservative and well-versed in my War History. She is extremely liberal and doesn't teach well in any part of history. She isn't a new teacher. She's been teaching for 5 years. She should know how to do stuff by now.