Falklands Referendum Result

Buddahaid · 03-12-13, 11:06 AM

It won't because it's another political card to play in diverting the government from addressing domestic issues. Just like the USA uses gay marriage and abortion as red herrings to make big heartfelt speeches while the foundation crumbles.

Marcantilan · 03-12-13, 12:20 PM

When I first heard a referendum was considered (early last year) I think, wow, a clever move: they (islanders) would ask for independence and they will have world opinion backing them (everybody loves tiny nations, specially the new "free" ones)

But the referendum is about to remain British. So, no news in here. In fact, I could say that this improves Argentine position about the islands (no three parties involved: mainlanders and islanders are the same...).

Besides that, this is a problem about land, not about people who live on it. I don´t think Argentina even think on evicting the islanders or sell their land or something in that line.

Well, my point. If anyone wants to attack Ms. Kirchner, be my guest. I hardly swallow her.

Regards!

Jimbuna · 03-12-13, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcantilan

When I first heard a referendum was considered (early last year) I think, wow, a clever move: they (islanders) would ask for independence and they will have world opinion backing them (everybody loves tiny nations, specially the new "free" ones)

But the referendum is about to remain British. So, no news in here. In fact, I could say that this improves Argentine position about the islands (no three parties involved: mainlanders and islanders are the same...).

Besides that, this is a problem about land, not about people who live on it. I don´t think Argentina even think on evicting the islanders or sell their land or something in that line.

Well, my point. If anyone wants to attack Ms. Kirchner, be my guest. I hardly swallow her.

Regards!

Isn't it great when the politicians get involved

Hopefully things will quieten down for a bit.

STEED · 03-12-13, 02:08 PM

I was one of the 0.1%

I voted we go Irish and free Guinness served every day at noon.

Out voted by flat warm beer drinkers.

Jimbuna · 03-12-13, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I was one of the 0.1%

I voted we go Irish and free Guinness served every day at noon.

Out voted by flat warm beer drinkers.

LOL ya crazy bugga

August · 03-12-13, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcantilan

Besides that, this is a problem about land, not about people who live on it. I don´t think Argentina even think on evicting the islanders or sell their land or something in that line.

Doesn't matter. These people have a right to self determination. The islanders have decided they wish to remain British by overwhelming margins. There is really nothing else to be said.

Marcantilan · 03-12-13, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Doesn't matter. These people have a right to self determination. The islanders have decided they wish to remain British by overwhelming margins. There is really nothing else to be said.

And British will remain!

However, UN pushed (since 1965) negotiations based on the interests and not the wishes of the islanders. And that´s not the same.

Oberon · 03-12-13, 08:49 PM

I think what Marcantilan is trying to get across is that in Argentinas eyes, the islanders are squatting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting) on Argentinian land, whereas Britain claims it to be British land. The arguement is not about the islanders or their allegience but who owns the land that they're on.

The trouble is when you start backdating claims to territory then the modern US is squatting on various American tribes lands, Britain is squatting on god-alone-knows whose land, and let's not even get started on Belgium.

At the end of the day though, something that both Brits and Argentines will agree on is that this whole issue is being blown out of proportion by politicians seeking to distract the general public from economic troubles. For the most part, the British and Argentinian public have 'agreed to disagree' on the Falkland/Malvinas issue after the war and just want to get on with getting through this global recession.

August · 03-12-13, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I think what Marcantilan is trying to get across is that in Argentinas eyes, the islanders are squatting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting) on Argentinian land, whereas Britain claims it to be British land. The arguement is not about the islanders or their allegience but who owns the land that they're on.

The trouble is when you start backdating claims to territory then the modern US is squatting on various American tribes lands, Britain is squatting on god-alone-knows whose land, and let's not even get started on Belgium.

At the end of the day though, something that both Brits and Argentines will agree on is that this whole issue is being blown out of proportion by politicians seeking to distract the general public from economic troubles. For the most part, the British and Argentinian public have 'agreed to disagree' on the Falkland/Malvinas issue after the war and just want to get on with getting through this global recession.

I see what you're saying and agree though I think that to the Islanders themselves it must be somewhat disconcerting.

Synthfg · 03-13-13, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I think what Marcantilan is trying to get across is that in Argentinas eyes, the islanders are squatting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting) on Argentinian land, whereas Britain claims it to be British land. The arguement is not about the islanders or their allegience but who owns the land that they're on.

The trouble is when you start backdating claims to territory then the modern US is squatting on various American tribes lands, Britain is squatting on god-alone-knows whose land, and let's not even get started on Belgium.

At the end of the day though, something that both Brits and Argentines will agree on is that this whole issue is being blown out of proportion by politicians seeking to distract the general public from economic troubles. For the most part, the British and Argentinian public have 'agreed to disagree' on the Falkland/Malvinas issue after the war and just want to get on with getting through this global recession.

Britain doesn't claim the islands as British tho
The islands are self governing but have chosen to remain affiliated to Great Britain
The Islanders many of them 8th or 9th Generation can hardly be described as recent immigrants or colonists,
They are in effect an independent small nation who rely on the UK gov for support especially in foreign policy and defense matters

Jimbuna · 03-13-13, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Synthfg

Britain doesn't claim the islands as British tho
The islands are self governing but have chosen to remain affiliated to Great Britain
The Islanders many of them 8th or 9th Generation can hardly be described as recent immigrants or colonists,
They are in effect an independent small nation who rely on the UK gov for support especially in foreign policy and defense matters

Sadly those facts can be forgotten when there is the chance there are huge mineral and oil reserves in the area...and that goes for both sides.

03-12-13, 11:06 AM	#1
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,326 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	It won't because it's another political card to play in diverting the government from addressing domestic issues. Just like the USA uses gay marriage and abortion as red herrings to make big heartfelt speeches while the foundation crumbles. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

03-12-13, 12:20 PM	#2
Marcantilan Weps Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 374 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	When I first heard a referendum was considered (early last year) I think, wow, a clever move: they (islanders) would ask for independence and they will have world opinion backing them (everybody loves tiny nations, specially the new "free" ones) But the referendum is about to remain British. So, no news in here. In fact, I could say that this improves Argentine position about the islands (no three parties involved: mainlanders and islanders are the same...). Besides that, this is a problem about land, not about people who live on it. I don´t think Argentina even think on evicting the islanders or sell their land or something in that line. Well, my point. If anyone wants to attack Ms. Kirchner, be my guest. I hardly swallow her. Regards! __________________ Ultima Ratio Regis

03-12-13, 02:08 PM	#4
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I was one of the 0.1% I voted we go Irish and free Guinness served every day at noon. Out voted by flat warm beer drinkers. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

03-12-13, 08:49 PM	#8
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I think what Marcantilan is trying to get across is that in Argentinas eyes, the islanders are squatting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting) on Argentinian land, whereas Britain claims it to be British land. The arguement is not about the islanders or their allegience but who owns the land that they're on. The trouble is when you start backdating claims to territory then the modern US is squatting on various American tribes lands, Britain is squatting on god-alone-knows whose land, and let's not even get started on Belgium. At the end of the day though, something that both Brits and Argentines will agree on is that this whole issue is being blown out of proportion by politicians seeking to distract the general public from economic troubles. For the most part, the British and Argentinian public have 'agreed to disagree' on the Falkland/Malvinas issue after the war and just want to get on with getting through this global recession.