Stopping by to gloat....;

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Dowly

@Bubblehead

Obama is not going to take away your guns, nor build an army to support him.
It would never, ever, work in a country like US.

What I see commonly done here (and elsewhere) is that the "enemy" is thought to
be stupid. Without any common sense, some think they go ahead and execute
their evil masterplan, no matter how stupid it is. I really doubt that Obama is THAT stupid.



This is true. I should know, I believed 9/11 was a bit fishy, until I actually researched it myself. Not my proudest moment that.

Well there is evidence to show he is or at the least, building an apparatus for future things, perhaps when he is gone but to give the government the ability to do so under the right president and circumstances. Currently, a confiscation would not work for most part, would have a lot of resistance, a lot of good people going to jail, a lot of violence between feds and citizens.A lot of local PD and Sheriffs would likely not help out either, it would be a big mess.Would I put it past this guy anyway? No. However, so called universal background checks are tantamount to registration because they will keep a record, thats part of building the apparatus for future seizures if the right opportunity presented itself.This country has a large number people who are emotionl, reactionary idiots, just need something even worse than sandyhook to happen and it probably will at some point.


The whole point is he will pursue this course despite the constitution, because he has an agenda, he is a fellow traveler, an ideologue. I could see a big political issue being a push to allow him to serve a second term, perhaps amend the constitution or find some other way, just would not shock me knowing how this person thinks.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well there is evidence to show he is or at the least, building an apparatus for future things, perhaps when he is gone but to give the government the ability to do so under the right president and circumstances.

No, there isn't evidence, Bubblehead.

This country has a large number people who are emotionl, reactionary idiots

Hehe. True that.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Dowly

This is true. I should know, I believed 9/11 was a bit fishy, until I actually researched it myself. Not my proudest moment that.

I certainly had some conspiracist traits when I was younger as well. I used to talk exactly like the pre-election Bubblehead; in total lockstep with the far right. I used to parrot their arguments, and was even a viewer of the 700 Club. In fact, I donated to it. In time, I began to believe that there was a leftist conspiracy to undermine our "fundamental Christian values" (yes, I actually used that language) and to ultimately outlaw the practice of Christianity.

What needs to happen, and what happened to people like you and I, is that we were able to pull ourselves out of that cycle before going over the edge; something similar to the fiction writer's device called the Moral Event Horizon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...alEventHorizon). In said event, a character that has been making a slide to being something of an antagonist perpetrates an act that is considered unforgivable to the reader or viewer, thus permanently labeling that character as evil. Similarly, an individual with conspiracist leanings can fall over the edge, as we have seen in this thread, by some crisis, real or imagined. In the case of the OP, the Presidential Election of 2012 was the catalyst for this change, and I fear that he may be lost for good.

[u crank]

Run, Forrest..... Run!

[Dammit_Carl!]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

...The Trayvon Martin case, he comes out and says "Trayvon could be my son" or something to that effect, he automatically assumes the black guy is innocent, the white guy is guilty when in all these cases, the fact is, the guys he sided with were wrong.Read his book, along with his entire life, racist.Explains a lot about him.

I think he meant that because he is black, a black male child could have easily been his as there are generally only two sexes a child can be when they emerge from the womb.

Also, life is not kind to young, black males in the U.S. (sorry but there are many studies out there to link to just one) generally speaking - but then you get into the sticky bit of home life, father figures or lack thereof, etc., as the causative factors. There might be a greater argument that Obama could have easily gone that route himself but again that is a hypothetical sort of line to follow.

You read too much into this bit, I'm afraid, and where did he throw out that Zimmerman was guilty? Give us specifics. Make this part of your argument stick.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

What needs to happen, and what happened to people like you and I, is that we were able to pull ourselves out of that cycle before going over the edge

As usual, you're completely right. That's also the reason why I tend to be so
passionate when it comes to conspiracy threads. Me believing there was something
fishy about 9/11 didn't really affect my life, but over the years I've seen some that
have been affected by the blind belief. Not saying names, but I know one from
these very forums who went pretty... nuts... well.. several.

All I can say from personal experience is to look both sides, look at the sources,
and look at the sources' sources.

Or nuke it from the orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Tchocky

Hehe. True that.

Is this topic a good example?

Dowly

All I can say from personal experience is to look both sides, look at the sources,
and look at the sources' sources.

Is this topic a good example of that not happening at all?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I certainly had some conspiracist traits when I was younger as well. I used to talk exactly like the pre-election Bubblehead; in total lockstep with the far right. I used to parrot their arguments, and was even a viewer of the 700 Club. In fact, I donated to it. In time, I began to believe that there was a leftist conspiracy to undermine our "fundamental Christian values" (yes, I actually used that language) and to ultimately outlaw the practice of Christianity.

What needs to happen, and what happened to people like you and I, is that we were able to pull ourselves out of that cycle before going over the edge; something similar to the fiction writer's device called the Moral Event Horizon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...alEventHorizon). In said event, a character that has been making a slide to being something of an antagonist perpetrates an act that is considered unforgivable to the reader or viewer, thus permanently labeling that character as evil. Similarly, an individual with conspiracist leanings can fall over the edge, as we have seen in this thread, by some crisis, real or imagined. In the case of the OP, the Presidential Election of 2012 was the catalyst for this change, and I fear that he may be lost for good.

Well I am actually an atheist lol but I believe in religious freedom, thus why I staunchly defend religious liberty.Great example was last year when the big fight over obama forcing catholic charities and hospitals to provide insurance that covers things they find morally wrong.While I believe being against contraception and a woman's right to choose is just outright ignorant and idiotic, I defend it because if you give the government, especially under barack hussein obama, an inch, they will take five miles.

The 700 club? Yea that is a bit embarassing.See I do not parrot the far right, I agree with some of them, but disagree with others. Espousing shared views is fine. Obama has been a big uniter for conservatives, nothing rallies the troops when they realize the enemy is at gates, in this case, the enemy made it through.

I will admit, I have lost a lot of faith in this country last november, reelecting such a failure, such a terrible person, just boggles my mind.I understand 2008, first serious black candidate, everyone was tired of bush, media loved obama, I even for a time was open to voting for him UNTIL I read his book and did research.That is the basic problem, everyone got caught up in the hype.2012 though? Romney was not a great candidate but obama reelected in the face of a stagnant economy? All the shady things he had done? This comes down to this country really has been dumbed down over the years. Most people just do not understand the complex issues, they vote on emotions, not facts.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Dowly

Is this topic a good example of that not happening at all?

I do believe I mentioned to Bubbles to check the sources on "factcheck".
He didn't, so.. yes, I guess so.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I do believe I mentioned to Bubbles to check the sources on "factcheck".
He didn't, so.. yes, I guess so.

Of course not. Factcheck contradicts his claims, and therefore must be discarded. It's the old two-step. Source contradicts you? It's part of the conspiracy. Person disagrees with you? He's too ignorant to see the truth. Easy as pie.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Of course not. Factcheck contradicts his claims, and therefore must be discarded. It's the old two-step. Source contradicts you? It's part of the conspiracy. Person disagrees with you? He's too ignorant to see the truth. Easy as pie.

Yeah, it's the old "LALALLALALA *NOT LISTENIING* LALALALLAALA" trick.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Most people just do not understand the complex issues, they vote on emotions, not facts.

And yet you rant on emotionally, and when anyone challenges you to present real facts, you can't. This leaves you ranting on some more, and saying things like "Well there is evidence to show he is or at the least, building an apparatus for future things, perhaps when he is gone but to give the government the ability to do so under the right president and circumstances." Yet, when challenged, you can't show any real evidence. You then say that whoever disagrees with you hasn't read his books like you have. Can you point out any particular passage in his books that backs up what you claim? You say you have evidence, yet all you ever show is generalities, not specifics.

As I've said, I've seen people say the same things about every president going all the way back to Kennedy, and yet you cry "This time it's different!" I've tried to show you that you sound exactly like the "sheeple" you deride, but you can't see it in yourself. I'll say it out loud: You are the one who is emotional, not rational. You are the one who rants about emotion versus facts, and yet in all this you have yet to show one single fact. Now you try to use one small point out of one hundred to "prove" that you don't follow a party line, and you can't see how much you sound just like the rest of them. You fell for a con job hook, line and sinker, and you can't see the forest for the trees. Sorry for the double cliche, but in your case it is so obviously true to everyone but yourself.

Takeda's YouTube link was so spot-on that I'm ashamed I didn't think of it first.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I will try to find it, I quoted it in old posts on here, would have to go back to 2010 though.

So, that's a no, then? I gave you a week. (I didn't even have to look up an old thread. Thanks.)

You know what, I'll read his book, since you're so sure it will make me see the light. Do you want me to PM you my address so you can send it? Make sure you highlight the important parts, or at least bookmark the pages you think are important. After I get a chance to read it, we can discuss it all you want. Also, include some non-biased sources on his background, so I can examine those, as well.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I could see a big political issue being a push to allow him to serve a second term, perhaps amend the constitution or find some other way, just would not shock me knowing how this person thinks.

Psst! Hey, you! Don't look now, but I have it on good authority from my fellow left-wing pinko commies that there are some nefarious plans for Obama to get a second term. It's called "Last Year's Election", and I think it might already be under way.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And yet you rant on emotionally, and when anyone challenges you to present real facts, you can't. This leaves you ranting on some more, and saying things like "Well there is evidence to show he is or at the least, building an apparatus for future things, perhaps when he is gone but to give the government the ability to do so under the right president and circumstances." Yet, when challenged, you can't show any real evidence. You then say that whoever disagrees with you hasn't read his books like you have. Can you point out any particular passage in his books that backs up what you claim? You say you have evidence, yet all you ever show is generalities, not specifics.

As I've said, I've seen people say the same things about every president going all the way back to Kennedy, and yet you cry "This time it's different!" I've tried to show you that you sound exactly like the "sheeple" you deride, but you can't see it in yourself. I'll say it out loud: You are the one who is emotional, not rational. You are the one who rants about emotion versus facts, and yet in all this you have yet to show one single fact. Now you try to use one small point out of one hundred to "prove" that you don't follow a party line, and you can't see how much you sound just like the rest of them. You fell for a con job hook, line and sinker, and you can't see the forest for the trees. Sorry for the double cliche, but in your case it is so obviously true to everyone but yourself.

Takeda's YouTube link was so spot-on that I'm ashamed I didn't think of it first.

Quotes from Obama's book............Page 99-101

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." Yes obama was talking about avoiding being see with people so he was not seen as a "sell out".

Pg. 101-102......
"Tim was not a conscious brother. Tim wore argyle sweaters and pressed jeans and talked like Beaver Cleaver. He planned to major in business. His white girlfriend was probably waiting for him up in his room, listening to country music."

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Those are just a couple, sure my opponents will argue context as an excuse but he said them, they are racist thoughts and his actions as president in different incidents involving race shows he still harbors such feelings.

A white guy running ever said such things? LOL he would never have made it through primaries.


There was one really offense line about when he found out his grandfather in africa worked for a white man still, the term "house ******" came to mind.

[August]

Dowly, change that sig. It's making my neck sore from tilting my head sideways so much.