The Pirate Bay Blocked by Sonera in Finland

Dowly · 07-31-12, 06:46 AM

Another ISP bends over under recording industry's pressure... achieving nothing yet again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ref=technology

Quote:

Sonera said it would challenge the court's decision, saying that barring
services was not an effective way to reduce piracy.

Good! While you're at it, give the corps. a free advice: Hire some people who know how the internet works.

Herr-Berbunch · 07-31-12, 06:49 AM

I read it's mostly banned by UK ISPs too, although some such as BT aren't chasing the new IP addresses like some (Virgin).

Not that I ever use it.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 07-31-12, 07:24 AM

Another ISP called DNA followed suit. It would be really nice if someone explained media corps and courts that this doesn't have much real effect. Almost always there is way circumvent this kind of blocks and when its not practical someone else will take closed pirate sites place. Its just same thing with child pornography - this kind of action just sweeps the problem under the rug out from public's eye. In background its just business as usual and has no significant effect.

Dowly · 07-31-12, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

I read it's mostly banned by UK ISPs too, although some such as BT aren't chasing the new IP addresses like some (Virgin).

Not that I ever use it.

It wasn't very effective over there.

Quote:

A major UK internet service provider (ISP) said peer-to-peer (P2P) activity on
its network returned to just below normal only a week after the measures
were enforced earlier this year.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18833060

Nor here (Sonera ISP btw):

danlisa · 07-31-12, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

I read it's mostly banned by UK ISPs too, although some such as BT aren't chasing the new IP addresses like some (Virgin).

A lot of good that did.

The first 2 days of blocking saw TPB traffic from the UK drop by 20%, it's now, thanks to so many proxy sites, back to full traffic.

Yeah, I've used & use it. Heck I think we even had GWX available through TPB or Demonoid at one point. Delusional authorities still believe that cutting off supply will cure 'pirating', it won't.

Herr-Berbunch · 07-31-12, 09:08 AM

kiwi_2005 · 07-31-12, 09:20 AM

http://kim.com/

Join the movement...

the_tyrant · 07-31-12, 09:24 AM

At best this will stop the casuals

My ISP in China (a ministry of education run ISP) tried everything to block porn
But Alas, they failed. When I'm in china, I have a scheme so elaborate, that there is absolutely NO way ANYONE can block me now.

I thought I beat the "System", until I attended a security conference where the mastermind behind the anti-porn system gave a talk.

The guy just said, that even with their best efforts, they can only block the 99%. They believe they can take down the "less skilled" 99% of the 1% (aka, 0.01%) through police action and lawsuits. For the last 0.01%, the guy joked, they put in so much effort in getting porn that the effort is better spent be picking up girls.

What I am trying to say, is that of course there are ways around censorship. The whole idea is not to combat the "elite", but to limit the 99%.

Dowly · 02-12-13, 08:15 AM

Well here's a shocker: The block doesnt work, says Master of Laws Pekka Savolainen.

Finnish article:
http://www.tietokone.fi/uutiset/pira..._ei_ole_hyotya

Savolainen's 249 page paper:
https://aaltodoc.aalto.fi/handle/123456789/7558
(Summary in English, paper in Finnish)

The basic gist according to Savolainen is that it is about politics, not about trying to effectively stop piracy.
The service providers are trying to complain, but are not getting through.

Who would have known?

Spoon 11th · 02-12-13, 11:22 PM

Netflix and such streaming services cost ~8 euros/month. Repertory could be bigger though. Spotify has ~15 million songs for 5 euros/month. Kim dot com can suck my balls.

Reece · 02-13-13, 03:18 AM

Oh no, my favorite site!!

Tchocky · 02-13-13, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

This has always annoyed me. People trying to take a moral stance on illegal filesharing. You're trying to avoid paying for something that would otherwise cost you money.

Nobody's being an internet hero by resisting The Man.

Herr-Berbunch · 02-13-13, 07:44 AM

It was the goat porn that did it for me.

Jimbuna · 02-13-13, 08:09 AM

You obviously know what young goats are called then

Herr-Berbunch · 02-13-13, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

You obviously know what young goats are called then

Walked right into that one, didn't I!

Err, maybe I like the Nannies better.

07-31-12, 06:49 AM	#2
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	I read it's mostly banned by UK ISPs too, although some such as BT aren't chasing the new IP addresses like some (Virgin). Not that I ever use it. __________________

07-31-12, 07:24 AM	#3
kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Another ISP called DNA followed suit. It would be really nice if someone explained media corps and courts that this doesn't have much real effect. Almost always there is way circumvent this kind of blocks and when its not practical someone else will take closed pirate sites place. Its just same thing with child pornography - this kind of action just sweeps the problem under the rug out from public's eye. In background its just business as usual and has no significant effect. __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House

07-31-12, 09:08 AM	#6
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	__________________

07-31-12, 09:20 AM	#7
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07-31-12, 09:24 AM	#8
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	At best this will stop the casuals My ISP in China (a ministry of education run ISP) tried everything to block porn But Alas, they failed. When I'm in china, I have a scheme so elaborate, that there is absolutely NO way ANYONE can block me now. I thought I beat the "System", until I attended a security conference where the mastermind behind the anti-porn system gave a talk. The guy just said, that even with their best efforts, they can only block the 99%. They believe they can take down the "less skilled" 99% of the 1% (aka, 0.01%) through police action and lawsuits. For the last 0.01%, the guy joked, they put in so much effort in getting porn that the effort is better spent be picking up girls. What I am trying to say, is that of course there are ways around censorship. The whole idea is not to combat the "elite", but to limit the 99%. __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

02-12-13, 08:15 AM	#9
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Well here's a shocker: The block doesnt work, says Master of Laws Pekka Savolainen. Finnish article: http://www.tietokone.fi/uutiset/pira..._ei_ole_hyotya Savolainen's 249 page paper: https://aaltodoc.aalto.fi/handle/123456789/7558 (Summary in English, paper in Finnish) The basic gist according to Savolainen is that it is about politics, not about trying to effectively stop piracy. The service providers are trying to complain, but are not getting through. Who would have known?

02-12-13, 11:22 PM	#10
Spoon 11th Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 689 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Netflix and such streaming services cost ~8 euros/month. Repertory could be bigger though. Spotify has ~15 million songs for 5 euros/month. Kim dot com can suck my balls.

02-13-13, 03:18 AM	#11
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,709 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Oh no, my favorite site!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

02-13-13, 07:44 AM	#13
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	It was the goat porn that did it for me. __________________

02-13-13, 08:09 AM	#14
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,539 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You obviously know what young goats are called then __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!