Task Force?

Kelly621 · 02-12-13, 01:14 PM

Hi all,
During the "Break the Fortress" mission as I was getting close to Scapa Flow, I was running on the surface at night and got a report that a Task Force was spotted bearing 019. That got my interest since the last time I got a report of a Task Force in was a large convoy of merchants. I could not see it visual myself so I dove to 50 meters and ordered all stop to get a few hydrophone fixes to determine the Task forces course.
The sound man reported no sound contacts. I took the sound station myself and sure enough there were no sound contacts. I surfaced and once again I got the report of a Task Force sighted. I closed the range on the bearing of the task force and found two fishing trawlers bobbing around

.......not what I would call a Task Force.

Is this just SH 5' default definition: two or more vessels of any kind = Task Force?

Kelly621

volodya61 · 02-12-13, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly621

Is this just SH 5' default definition: two or more vessels of any kind = Task Force?

I think - yes..

bert8for3 · 02-12-13, 02:43 PM

Yah, I think so too. I believe one of them has to be armed naval vs armed merchant. But that makes it a "task force".

Kelly621 · 02-12-13, 03:53 PM

If both of you are right I wonder if this can be changed by one of subsim's talented programmers or mod makers? It would be nice to have the watch officer report fishing boats instead of a task force. I also thought that "convoy sighted " would be a more appropriate report then "task force sighted" based on the following definition from a WWII naval historical site:
A "convoy" is two or more naval auxiliary vessels, merchant vessels or both, assembled and organized for an operation or passage together; or a single naval auxiliary vessel or merchant vessel under escort of one or more warships.

The above definition seems to fit what I see in the SH 5 game world to this point.

Just thinking out loud....
Kelly621

Fifi · 02-12-13, 03:58 PM

Yes, can confirm this too.
Many times, 2 or more merchants can be identified as task force!

volodya61 · 02-12-13, 04:00 PM

You can simply change it by yourself.. in the menu.txt.. just change "task force sighted" to "convoy sighted" and enjoy

Fifi · 02-12-13, 04:02 PM

And after, what if real task force encountered?...

volodya61 · 02-12-13, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

And after, what if real task force encountered?...

It's simple too.. you will hear "convoy sighted"

bert8for3 · 02-12-13, 04:28 PM

Ah ... could change it I suppose to "convoy or task force sighted, you decide"

Kelly621 · 02-12-13, 04:30 PM

Quote:

You can simply change it by yourself.. in the menu.txt.. just change "task force sighted" to "convoy sighted" and enjoy

Thanks for a simple solution

I am pretty sure that it is also an audio report, so will changing the menu text stop the audio report...just curious. That just leaves the question of being able to report fishing boats as fishing boats. Got a feeling it may not be worth the time or possible to change. I don't know how often they turn up in SH 5. Guess I will just assume if I get a convoy sighted and I dive to get a few fixes with the hydrophone, but no sound contact that it will be a good bet its just fishing boats and just move on...I do not see any point in wasting ordinance on fishing boats.

Kelly621

Kelly621 · 02-12-13, 05:56 PM

OK....I am now officially confused

I checked the menu text file and found both convoy sighted and task force sited commented. I am still new to SH5 , but in the southern section of the coastal waters mission I found a convoy of around twelve merchants with no escort and I remember it was reported as a task force. Sure looked like a convoy to me. Has anyone had the message and or audio report of "convoy sighted" instead of "task force" sighted? Maybe I am over thinking this, but its bugging me now

Kelly621

volodya61 · 02-12-13, 07:55 PM

Half of the things that already are in this game don't work at all since the release..

GT182 · 02-12-13, 09:55 PM

I've never played stock SH5 so I can't comment on it without mods.

For OHII Full v2.0:

Armed Troop ships, more than one, will be sighted as a Task Force. I've not had armed Merchants, more than one, sighted as a Task Force, only as a Convoy. OHII fixed that.

During British Coastal Waters no merchants are armed... it's still 1939. Troop ships will be armed. Deadline for BCW is 01/12/1939. After 01/01/1940 you will start to see merchants being armed.

Kelly621 · 02-12-13, 10:13 PM

Quote:

For OHII Full v2.0:

Armed Troop ships, more than one, will be sighted as a Task Force. I've not had armed Merchants, more than one, sighted as a Task Force, only as a Convoy. OHII fixed that.

During British Coastal Waters no merchants are armed... it's still 1939. Troop ships will be armed. Deadline for BCW is 01/12/1939. After 01/01/1940 you will start to see merchants being armed.
__________________

I am not playing the stock game

I also am using OHII Full v2.0 and so far seems like anything greater then one ship is a task force. Since you are getting convoy sightings I am starting to wonder If I have a mod related problem. I have disabled and enabled a number of mods to get what suited the abilities of my PC and how I like to play.

Kelly 621

GT182 · 02-12-13, 10:41 PM

Sounds like it could be a mod problem Kelly.

Send me a PM with your email address. I'll send you my mod list so you can use whatever you want from it. Print out Sober's mega mod list and use that as a guide with what you have installed now. Install your mods in the same order of his list. You can use any or all of what's in the list. Your choice.

I'll send my list off to you in the morning when I get back home from my coffee outting to Wawa....

LOL

02-12-13, 01:14 PM	#1
Kelly621 Officer Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 237 Downloads: 336 Uploads: 0	Task Force? Hi all, During the "Break the Fortress" mission as I was getting close to Scapa Flow, I was running on the surface at night and got a report that a Task Force was spotted bearing 019. That got my interest since the last time I got a report of a Task Force in was a large convoy of merchants. I could not see it visual myself so I dove to 50 meters and ordered all stop to get a few hydrophone fixes to determine the Task forces course. The sound man reported no sound contacts. I took the sound station myself and sure enough there were no sound contacts. I surfaced and once again I got the report of a Task Force sighted. I closed the range on the bearing of the task force and found two fishing trawlers bobbing around .......not what I would call a Task Force. Is this just SH 5' default definition: two or more vessels of any kind = Task Force? Kelly621 Last edited by Kelly621; 02-12-13 at 02:59 PM.

02-12-13, 02:43 PM	#3
bert8for3 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,124 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Yah, I think so too. I believe one of them has to be armed naval vs armed merchant. But that makes it a "task force". __________________

02-12-13, 04:00 PM	#6
volodya61 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Rostov-on-Don, local time GMT+4 Posts: 3,300 Downloads: 374 Uploads: 0	You can simply change it by yourself.. in the menu.txt.. just change "task force sighted" to "convoy sighted" and enjoy __________________ . Where does human stupidity end? . *El sueño de la razón produce monstruos © - and for some people awakening will be cruel*

02-12-13, 04:28 PM	#9
bert8for3 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,124 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Ah ... could change it I suppose to "convoy or task force sighted, you decide" __________________

02-12-13, 07:55 PM	#12
volodya61 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Rostov-on-Don, local time GMT+4 Posts: 3,300 Downloads: 374 Uploads: 0	Half of the things that already are in this game don't work at all since the release.. __________________ . Where does human stupidity end? . *El sueño de la razón produce monstruos © - and for some people awakening will be cruel*

02-12-13, 03:53 PM	#4
Kelly621 Officer Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 237 Downloads: 336 Uploads: 0	If both of you are right I wonder if this can be changed by one of subsim's talented programmers or mod makers? It would be nice to have the watch officer report fishing boats instead of a task force. I also thought that "convoy sighted " would be a more appropriate report then "task force sighted" based on the following definition from a WWII naval historical site: A "convoy" is two or more naval auxiliary vessels, merchant vessels or both, assembled and organized for an operation or passage together; or a single naval auxiliary vessel or merchant vessel under escort of one or more warships. The above definition seems to fit what I see in the SH 5 game world to this point. Just thinking out loud.... Kelly621

02-12-13, 03:58 PM	#5
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,088 Downloads: 466 Uploads: 0	Yes, can confirm this too. Many times, 2 or more merchants can be identified as task force!

02-12-13, 04:02 PM	#7
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,088 Downloads: 466 Uploads: 0	And after, what if real task force encountered?...

02-12-13, 05:56 PM	#11
Kelly621 Officer Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 237 Downloads: 336 Uploads: 0	OK....I am now officially confused I checked the menu text file and found both convoy sighted and task force sited commented. I am still new to SH5 , but in the southern section of the coastal waters mission I found a convoy of around twelve merchants with no escort and I remember it was reported as a task force. Sure looked like a convoy to me. Has anyone had the message and or audio report of "convoy sighted" instead of "task force" sighted? Maybe I am over thinking this, but its bugging me now Kelly621

02-12-13, 09:55 PM	#13
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	I've never played stock SH5 so I can't comment on it without mods. For OHII Full v2.0: Armed Troop ships, more than one, will be sighted as a Task Force. I've not had armed Merchants, more than one, sighted as a Task Force, only as a Convoy. OHII fixed that. During British Coastal Waters no merchants are armed... it's still 1939. Troop ships will be armed. Deadline for BCW is 01/12/1939. After 01/01/1940 you will start to see merchants being armed. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

02-12-13, 10:41 PM	#15
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Sounds like it could be a mod problem Kelly. Send me a PM with your email address. I'll send you my mod list so you can use whatever you want from it. Print out Sober's mega mod list and use that as a guide with what you have installed now. Install your mods in the same order of his list. You can use any or all of what's in the list. Your choice. I'll send my list off to you in the morning when I get back home from my coffee outting to Wawa.... LOL __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.