Data Protection/EU Privacy Debate

[The Enigma]

Which doesn't mean that's a bad thing, despite what the money driven companies are trying to make us believe.

I wish more countries would say enough is enough.
I don't trust my own government, let alone the EU.
Democracy has become a hollow word, but that's my humble opinion.

[HundertzehnGustav]

It's just too big to be believable.
on a small geographic continent, you have such small things like countries and ethnic groups...
Puttingthem in one pot and trying to merge them into one... under the ideology of "peace for all" ... was never going to work.

I expect the EU to fall apart slowly during the next decade anyway.

[Penguin]

The European Union is seeking to[...]
firms and lobbyists are fighting the plans.

We all know what will come out of it, as seen with countless other EU legislation

Facebook and Google can cry a river all they want, all they should do is to respect the exicting data proptection laws, be transparent with the individual date they collected and quite some practices, e.g. persinstent tracking cookies, hidden in the like button all over the net.
If they can't follow the same rules countless other companies can, then bye-bye. The European market is too big to them to be neclected, so the threat to leave Europe is all typical lobby blackmailing bs.

What would this law provide for a country like Germany with already pretty strict data protection laws? A setback.
We don't have the right "to forget data", we have the right that the individual can insist have his collected personal data deleted - a very important difference.
So like with most EU laws: thanks, we don't need them, however this never stopped our glorious regime from putting those into law anyway...

[Skybird]

When will the people of Europe rise and tear down the EU's social-fascist dictatorship like the people of Hungary, Poland, East Germany and Czechoslovakia have brought down their tyrant regimes 23 years ago? Why have people forgotten the lessons learned from the GDR and the USSR? The EU runs by the same mechanisms of never legitimized but usurped power like these two regimes did. How comes that this has already been forgotten again - less than just one generation later?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Skybird

When will the people of Europe rise and tear down the EU's social-fascist dictatorship like the people of Hungary, Poland, East Germany and Czechoslovakia have brought down their tyrant regimes 23 years ago? Why have people forgotten the lessons learned from the GDR and the USSR? The EU runs by the same mechanisms of never legitimized but usurped power like these two regimes did. How comes that this has already been forgotten again - less than just one generation later?

Maybe it is because people function by the same rules and leaders crave for power by the same rules as ever. There I have read so much by and about my beloved Machiavelli, and when his exquisit descriptions recommend themselves again to explain the present - I just forget to think about them. Stupid me!

Jubilee!. 500 years ago, Machiavelli pretty much founded what could be labeled as the beginning of political science. Different to philosophers and dreamers before him, he did not care to dream about what policy and state should be like, but he cool-mindedly described how the mechanisms of securing and gaining power function. That'S what made him different to everybody before him, and that is what makes him a master in his field until today.

[Karle94]

Why do I get the feeling that these new laws will affect me here in Norway, despite Norway not being a member of EU?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Karle94

Why do I get the feeling that these new laws will affect me here in Norway, despite Norway not being a member of EU?

Because your economy, like the Swiss economy, depends on the EU market and thus you must follow EU regulations dictated by Brussel to a wider degree than one would imagine, considering that Norway is not EU member.

I wish Britain, Germany and Finland would leave the EU, and together with Finland would form a new northern economy zone - that leaves it to economic coordinating, nothing more. The Poles economically would be fine to join, and the Dutch financially - but both political establishments in these countries are far too Europhile for my taste. But Britain, Germany, Finland and Norway - that would be something! About the Czech I am not sure, even more so after the recent presidential election. Klaus may have been a strong EU critic, but the new guy is quite left and won by dirty tricks and plenty of anti-German ressentiment-raising, which obviously fell on fertile ground in parts of the Czech population. Why would I welcome that... And no, no France, please. No country in Europe by mentality is as socialistically oriented as the French. Let'S leave it to pragmatic temporary deals one a day-to-day basis, as a longterm ally I do not trust them anymore. The often announced Franco-German "axis" is seriously desintegrating since quite some time now.

Also not certain about the Danes, do not know their economy and EU attitude well enough.