A Marines letter

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

yubba thread with some serious discussion?

Unbelievable!

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Oh, no, my sons are named after theological demons.

Like Andrea.

Poppo is...was...the son of the Kaiser of the Holy Roman Empire.

Meh, could have fooled me. Sons have been killed for much less, after all. Every decent ruler knows that having a harelip is a perfectly valid reason for throwing your 2-year old infant heir out of the castle's window.

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

yubba thread with some serious discussion?

Unbelievable!

It the CK2 doomsday conspiracy as the Y2K conspiracy is sooooo last millenium

[Penguin]

A very good opinion peace about how Conservatives are up to fighting tooth and claws when it comes to the 2nd Amendment while keeping an awkward silence when it comes to other rights: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...olution/266711

I recommend to read the full article, though here are 2 quotes for the lazy ones:

The powers the Republican Party has given to the presidency since 9/11 would obviously enable far more grave abuses in the hands of a would be tyrant than any gun control legislation with even a miniscule chance of passing Congress. So why are so many liberty-invoking 2nd Amendment absolutists reliable Republican voters, as if the GOP's stance on that issue somehow makes up for its shortcomings? And why do they so seldom speak up about threats to the Bill of Rights that don't involve guns?

[...]

folks who want to guard against a tyrannical government are foolish to focus on the 2nd Amendment while abandoning numerous other rights for fear of terrorism.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

1. The Constitution doesn't guarantee the right to vehicle ownership. Actually in a way it does, implicit in the 9th Amendment, but guns are specifically named for reasons given many times over.

2. I can indeed own a car, without registration or a drivers license. I can't drive it on public roads without both of those, but on my own property is fine, and no one can say otherwise.

Fair enough on point 2, but in 1792 no-one complained about the registration and inspection of weapons. Why now?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Also he should learn to follow the regulations and standards of the Marine Corps one of them is not to make political statements using the fact of being active duty service to put across your point.

That used to be traditional ethics of military service. Sadly the modern military members don't always recognize it.

[Platapus]

Has anyone read what Diane is proposing?

I would say the chances if that, as written, even getting out of committee are approximately slim with a chance of it being approved very close to zero.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

2. I can indeed own a car, without registration or a drivers license. I can't drive it on public roads without both of those, but on my own property is fine, and no one can say otherwise.

That is a very important point that some tend to forget.

[Skybird]

Love the sword, die by the sword.

That is not just true for individuals, but also for societies and cultures. You reap what you sow.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Fair enough on point 2, but in 1792 no-one complained about the registration and inspection of weapons. Why now?

Because they were being ordered to own weapons, and they thought that was a good idea. Now the idea is to take the weapons away, and we think that's a bad idea. As for registration, that is a conundrum. If the point is to know who the government can rely on in a call-up, registration seems like a good idea to the gun owner. When the point is to know whose door to knock on when the government wants to collect guns, registration seems like a bad idea.

I've know people who refused to join the NRA on the principle that if any State or Federal agency did decide to start confiscating guns, they would likely start by finding a judge who would demand the NRA hand over the rolls.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Has anyone read what Diane is proposing?

I would say the chances if that, as written, even getting out of committee are approximately slim with a chance of it being approved very close to zero.

I read it. It's more draconian than even the regulations on their full auto counterparts.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Love the sword, die by the sword.

That is not just true for individuals, but also for societies and cultures. You reap what you sow.

Good point, that.

I might make it my signature on another forum!

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Because they were being ordered to own weapons, and they thought that was a good idea. As for registration, that is a conundrum.

If they were ordered then they were regulated and registered, after all if the people are ordered to keep a longarm with 50m bullets and a horn of powder and fowling pieces don't count then they are touiching all the bases for the 2nd allowing strict regulation on that which it covers.

Now the idea is to take the weapons away, and we think that's a bad idea.

The idea is to restrict ownership of some weapons isn't it, plus take them away from people you all seem to agree shouldn't be allowed weapons.

If the point is to know who the government can rely on in a call-up, registration seems like a good idea to the gun owner. When the point is to know whose door to knock on when the government wants to collect guns, registration seems like a bad idea.

Yet the same people who say it is a bad idea are unable to defend it when the government has failed to remove guns from people they agree shouldn't have guns.

[Sailor Steve]

I was merely answering TarJak's question of why gun owners wouldn't complain then but would complain now. Your attempts to drag me into another point-by-point fail.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Since this looks like another thread about gun rights and gun control, I'll just leave these here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Finland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol..._United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...United_Kingdom

Now since all of these are from Wiki there probably not 100% accurite and leave out some detail, like the Finland article doesn't explain how many or what type of Traffic Offences and/or how many would disallow a person from getting a firearms certificate .