Fiscal Cliff..

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I wish they would stop calling Social Security an "entitlement" program. I'm entitled to what I paid for over 35 years?

Agreed. I have paid since I was 15 years old. 33 years. I was told it would be there when I retire if I contribute now. Where is my dough?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I wish they would stop calling Social Security an "entitlement" program. I'm entitled to what I paid for over 35 years?

It's because the political spinmeisters have abused the term. The definition of an "entitlement" program is a program that is automatically funded without Congress reauthorizing it every year. Politicians have corrupted the meaning of the term to mean any program that the lazy (blacks/hispanics/leftists/union members/teachers/hippies/Democrats/communists/whatever the group of the week to hate/etc.) feel like they're "entitled" to.

It's the same way the creationists have tried to corrupt the word "theory" when referring to a scientific explanation for something.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Politicians have corrupted the meaning of the term to mean any program that the lazy (blacks/hispanics/leftists/union members/teachers/hippies/Democrats/communists/whatever the group of the week to hate/etc.) feel like they're "entitled" to.

Where do caucasian fit in your list? Are they grouped under Democrats?

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by magic452

You're a little late for gold. If you're interested in bullion I'd look at 5 oz silver coins. If gold the British Sovereign. Nothing larger then these two. If you don't know why I would suggest you do some research on tax issues. Namely Income reporting, long term capital gains, gift tax and inheritance tax.

All my gold is in 5 oz. bullion bars and I sure wish it wasn't. If I can nurse it to $1,800 an oz I'll correct that problem.

Magic

Why the 5oz coins specifically? Instead of say .9999 silver maples?

[magic452]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Why the 5oz coins specifically? Instead of say .9999 silver maples?

It's not a particular coin or bar that's important but the max size 5 oz.
You want a coin to price under $600.00.

Magic

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Perhaps just blow it all and enjoy the time I have left before the inevitable collapse of society globally.

Well, there is a difference between fatalism and joy of life. And life is an uncertain thing - every day. So enjoying the time you have left is good advise always, no matter the circumstances, because you cannot be sure of even just the next day. A collapse will come, we are so deep i n the mess that it is superstitious almost to assume we could escape it without major conflict and drama. It simply is unreasonable and undefendable to assume that.

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For German tongues: what inflation, deflation and state interests have too do with each other, and why business and states cannot have an interest anymore in having reason regulating the finance market anymore - it would mean immediate and total annihilation of almost every bank and most companies. That guy is high on my esteem list, I know him from other contexts. Brilliant man.

http://www.achgut.com/dadgdx/index.p...g_beieinander/

So we are doomed to continue with shooting ourselves in the head. Happy new year.

If I am bored these days, maybe I translate it then.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Well, there is a difference between fatalism and joy of life. And life is an uncertain thing - every day. So enjoying the time you have left is good advise always, no matter the circumstances, because you cannot be sure of even just the next day. A collapse will come, we are so deep i n the mess that it is superstitious almost to assume we could escape it without major conflict and drama. It simply is unreasonable and undefendable to assume that.

Hence the problem with society today. Everything is fatalism, gloom and doom. For decades men have stood on street corners with signs reading the end is near. Yet here we are. The media if full of nothing but bad news. How deep are we really in a mess? Has there been a time when the world was not in a deep mess? Major conflict and drama. There is always major conflict and drama. The only thing that has changed is we get fed the major conflict and drama instantaneously via the internet. Within in seconds the drama can be pumped to your desktop from hundreds of sources. In short, the world probably does not look very different from years ago with exception of us getting to see more of it at light speed as it streams to our monitors. The world has lived through depressions, wars, feast and famine. The only difference today, IMO, is we get to see it all in the comfort of our homes behind the warm glow of a monitor.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Agreed. I have paid since I was 15 years old. 33 years. I was told it would be there when I retire if I contribute now. Where is my dough?

Yea, same, 50 years old, been paying in since 15, maybe I'll slip by and not have to wait until 80 to retire.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Yea, same, 50 years old, been paying in since 15, maybe I'll slip by and not have to wait until 80 to retire.

80? By the time we reach 80 the retirement age will be increased to 95. I'm truly of the mind the age one can retire with full SS benefits will continue to increase. We will never catch it. Much to slow with a cane.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

80? By the time we reach 80 the retirement age will be increased to 95. I'm truly of the mind the age one can retire with full SS benefits will continue to increase. We will never catch it. Much to slow with a cane.

This guy understands your plight:

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

80? By the time we reach 80 the retirement age will be increased to 95. I'm truly of the mind the age one can retire with full SS benefits will continue to increase. We will never catch it. Much to slow with a cane.

Guess we can wheel into work with our IV's of chemo....

Let's face it, we were robbed of all that money, it's long gone. Guess when I reach retirement and it's gone I can go rob a govt. funded bank. Doesn't matter if I get caught and go to jail, free food, bed, TV, good medical care and hopefully no one will find me attractive.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, the age old argument is SS was not to be the sole form of your retirement funding. That is all well and dandy but I was told if I contribute it will be there for me. So like I said, were is my dough Mac?

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Well, the age old argument is SS was not to be the sole form of your retirement funding. That is all well and dandy but I was told if I contribute it will be there for me. So like I said, were is my dough Mac?

Yeah! And if they can't or won't fulfill their obligations then I want back every penny I contributed into it as well as 40 years of interest.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah! And if they can't or won't fulfill their obligations then I want back every penny I contributed into it as well as 40 years of interest.

You would be worth a million...

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah! And if they can't or won't fulfill their obligations then I want back every penny I contributed into it as well as 40 years of interest.