Define an "assault weapon"

CaptainMattJ. · 12-23-12, 03:25 AM

Assault rifle and assault weapon are two different things. an assault rifle is a weapon firing rifle rounds, but with the capacity to go fully-automatic.

There's no reason to have it anymore. Times have changed DRASTICALLY since the bill of rights was instated. There is no reason to have unrestricted access to weapons of all creeds. There is no reason to have automatic weapons for civilian use. the reasons for a militia are almost non-existant. Democracies around the world have unrelenting gun restrictions yet haven't turned to tyrannical dictatorships or anything of the sort. There were more legitimate reasons back in 1789 to have a civilian militia, when we had no standing army. Now with a pretty much permanent army and a fully democratic government where the MAJORITY leads, absolutely no reason to have militarily-armed civilians. Zero.

There are many uses for handguns. There are uses for semi-automatic rifles (hunting especially). None, however, for assault weapons.

My uncle for instance owns a semi automatic AK-47 that is not capable of automatic fire. He only has 10 round clips. in that sense it is a rifle, firing rifle rounds. and isn't an assault weapon. if that AK-47 was automatic and/or he used 30 rounds clips, then it's only proper purpose is to kill or injure GROUPS of other people. You don't need fully automatic weapons and you don't need high capacity clips. Not for self defense and not for hunting. The ease of faking your way through tests and owning an assault weapon on the other hand, is allowing for easier access to weapons designed for killing/injuring MANY people in very short amounts of time.

I was one of the first people to point out that banning assault weapons won't stop these things from happening. But it will help deny these people these military-grade weapons that can cause untold horrors in no time at all.

Hottentot · 12-23-12, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

I was one of the first people to point out that banning assault weapons won't stop these things from happening. But it will help deny these people these military-grade weapons that can cause untold horrors in no time at all.

Curious, though, how come these nuts more often than not come armed with pistols and perhaps a rifle instead of bigger stuff? Or is it just the media calling an automatc weapon "a rifle", much like they tend to call an SMG a "machinegun".

Armistead · 12-23-12, 10:10 AM

The liberal news keeps reporting why no one needs an assault type weapon with larger clips, stating the power and destruction of the gun. That's enough reason for me to have the right to own one. No matter the ban, criminals can still easily get these guns off the street, I should have the right to meet the criminal on equal footing.

In past years, police often went against criminals with AK's, AR's, etc, often fully auto and they often lost because they didn't have the firepower to fight back. Finally, many officers were allowed to carry equal firepower. If you think it seldom happens, try watching youtube....

We have millions of illegal true assault weapons coming across the border, yet I haven't heard anyone liberal saying let's close our borders down.

Sailor Steve · 12-23-12, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

The liberal news keeps reporting why no one needs an assault type weapon with larger clips, stating the power and destruction of the gun. That's enough reason for me to have the right to own one.

MH · 12-23-12, 10:49 AM

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You don't need fully automatic weapons and you don't need high capacity clips. Not for self defense and not for hunting. The ease of faking your way through tests and owning an assault weapon on the other hand, is allowing for easier access to weapons designed for killing/injuring MANY people in very short amounts of time.
How much experience have you had shooting either one? I would say at this point that you don't know what you're talking about.

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How much experience have you had shooting either one? I would say at this point that you don't know what you're talking about.

Right...the only reason to own this type of guns is for fun as toy or zombie attacks.
That is if you are living in normal world....not a war zone.
I can understand having shotgun for home defence or hand gun but ak 47?...its ridiculous.

I wonder if you people really believe in what you write here....yet i can understand the need to defend your constitution and avoiding dangerous precedences in legislation but im not sure if bull****ting yourself and others to death is the correct way.

Sailor Steve · 12-23-12, 10:56 AM

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Right...the only reason to own this type of guns is for fun as toy or zombie attacks.

Do you have something against toys? I can't speak as to zombie attacks, as they don't seem to happen in my part of the world.

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bull****ting yourself

You might want to refamiliarize yourself with the language rules.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq...._item_language

MH · 12-23-12, 11:14 AM

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Do you have something against toys? I can't speak as to zombie attacks, as they don't seem to happen in my part of the world.

You might want to refamiliarize yourself with the language rules.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq...._item_language

No i have nothing against toys but...how many people own the guns as toys and how many openly admit it?

If you can handle gun you should be able to handle some stupid not so nasty word.

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Y'know our belief in the right to defend oneself also makes us sympathetic to plucky little Israels right to exist. Do you really want to tell us we're fooling ourselves?

LOL ouch.....up to you....you can open new thread addressing this issue.

Also read exactly what i wrote...about precedences in legislation which might be worth defending in the big picture.

August · 12-23-12, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MH

I wonder if you people really believe in what you write here....yet i can understand the need to defend your constitution and avoiding dangerous precedences in legislation but im not sure if bull****ting yourself and others to death is the correct way.

Y'know our belief in the right to defend oneself also makes us sympathetic to plucky little Israels right to exist. Do you really want to tell us we're fooling ourselves?

August · 12-23-12, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

Curious, though, how come these nuts more often than not come armed with pistols and perhaps a rifle instead of bigger stuff? Or is it just the media calling an automatc weapon "a rifle", much like they tend to call an SMG a "machinegun".

Part of it is willful misrepresentation by the media and ignorance, but part of it also comes from conflicting terms between rifles and handguns.

A pistol that uses gas produced by the previous round to cycle the bolt and chamber the next round is called an "Automatic" even though it's a semi-automatic in that it produces one shot per trigger pull.

A pistol called a Double Action Revolver also produces one shot per trigger pull but since it uses manual strength to prepare the next round for firing instead of gas it is not considered a semi-auto.

Now a rifle that uses gas but produces one shot per trigger pull is called a Semi-Automatic. When it comes to long guns "Automatic" is reserved for firearms that shoot for as long as the trigger is depressed.

AFAIK there is no such thing as a Double Action Rifle.

BTW even the word Rifle is a misnomer as well. It refers to only the circular groves in a barrel which give the bullet a ballistic spin and can be present in handguns, shotguns and muzzle loaders as well as "rifles".

Sailor Steve · 12-23-12, 10:52 AM

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AFAIK there is no such thing as a Double Action Rifle.

Hmm. I never noticed that before, but now that you mention it...

I'm a big fan of single-action revolvers myself.

August · 12-23-12, 11:03 AM

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Hmm. I never noticed that before, but now that you mention it...

I'm a big fan of single-action revolvers myself.

I hesitated on including that as i'm sure that someone has stuck a long barrel and stock on a revolver at some point.

mookiemookie · 12-23-12, 11:09 AM

I'm kinda disappointed that street sweeper shotguns are more or less illegal. I'd absolutely have one of those for home protection. If a burglar breaks into my house, they'd have to scrape them off the walls when it was over if I had my way.

Hottentot · 12-23-12, 11:22 AM

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I'm kinda disappointed that street sweeper shotguns are more or less illegal. I'd absolutely have one of those for home protection. If a burglar breaks into my house, they'd have to scrape them off the walls when it was over if I had my way.

It doubles as a mosquito deterrent. Have you ever tried hitting a mosquito with a pistol?

Sailor Steve · 12-23-12, 11:09 AM

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I hesitated on including that as i'm sure that someone has stuck a long barrel and stock on a revolver at some point.

Actually they came that way from the factory. My late friend Rocky owned one of these:

It was one of my favorites to shoot. I could tell stories...

August · 12-23-12, 11:21 AM

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It was one of my favorites to shoot. I could tell stories...

Do tell, do tell!

View Poll Results: Define what an "assault weapon" is.
One that continues to fire when the trigger is held until ammo runs out.	16	88.89%
One that requires a magazine (or any size).	0	0%
One that hold more than a single round.	0	0%
One that looks like a "military" style weapon.	2	11.11%
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12-23-12, 03:25 AM	#1
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	Assault rifle and assault weapon are two different things. an assault rifle is a weapon firing rifle rounds, but with the capacity to go fully-automatic. There's no reason to have it anymore. Times have changed DRASTICALLY since the bill of rights was instated. There is no reason to have unrestricted access to weapons of all creeds. There is no reason to have automatic weapons for civilian use. the reasons for a militia are almost non-existant. Democracies around the world have unrelenting gun restrictions yet haven't turned to tyrannical dictatorships or anything of the sort. There were more legitimate reasons back in 1789 to have a civilian militia, when we had no standing army. Now with a pretty much permanent army and a fully democratic government where the MAJORITY leads, absolutely no reason to have militarily-armed civilians. Zero. There are many uses for handguns. There are uses for semi-automatic rifles (hunting especially). None, however, for assault weapons. My uncle for instance owns a semi automatic AK-47 that is not capable of automatic fire. He only has 10 round clips. in that sense it is a rifle, firing rifle rounds. and isn't an assault weapon. if that AK-47 was automatic and/or he used 30 rounds clips, then it's only proper purpose is to kill or injure GROUPS of other people. You don't need fully automatic weapons and you don't need high capacity clips. Not for self defense and not for hunting. The ease of faking your way through tests and owning an assault weapon on the other hand, is allowing for easier access to weapons designed for killing/injuring MANY people in very short amounts of time. I was one of the first people to point out that banning assault weapons won't stop these things from happening. But it will help deny these people these military-grade weapons that can cause untold horrors in no time at all. __________________ A popular Government without popular information nor the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives - James Madison Last edited by CaptainMattJ.; 12-23-12 at 03:52 AM.

12-23-12, 11:09 AM	#12
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12-23-12, 10:10 AM	#3
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	The liberal news keeps reporting why no one needs an assault type weapon with larger clips, stating the power and destruction of the gun. That's enough reason for me to have the right to own one. No matter the ban, criminals can still easily get these guns off the street, I should have the right to meet the criminal on equal footing. In past years, police often went against criminals with AK's, AR's, etc, often fully auto and they often lost because they didn't have the firepower to fight back. Finally, many officers were allowed to carry equal firepower. If you think it seldom happens, try watching youtube.... We have millions of illegal true assault weapons coming across the border, yet I haven't heard anyone liberal saying let's close our borders down.