Define an "assault weapon"

Neptunus Rex · 12-21-12, 01:34 PM

One that keeps firing when the trigger is held until ammo runs out?

One that has a magazine?

One that holds more than a single round?

One that looks like a "military" style weapon?

Armistead · 12-21-12, 01:38 PM

Last definition that Clinton signed.

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine.

Notice this list excludes most of the guns people today are referring to as assault weapons.

soopaman2 · 12-21-12, 01:42 PM

Something a patriot would use.

CCIP · 12-21-12, 01:44 PM

I always thought of an assault weapons (or at least ARs) as something that fires a rifle- or carbine-sized round from a fairly compact package that does not require frequent reloading.

soopaman2 · 12-21-12, 01:48 PM

Fully automatic rifle round firing weapon. (being serious this time)

I am still searching for a negative agenda for this thread, or if the OP is as disgusted by the term "assault rifle" as I am?

Just wondering, alot of anti gun nuts abound, when bad crap happens, so I am naturally on guard.

As liberal as I am, I am conservative on guns.

Takeda Shingen · 12-21-12, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

I am still searching for an agenda for this thread, or if the OP is as disgusted by the term "assault rifle" as I am?

Looks like you already brought one with your previous response, so I wouldn't say that it matters.

nikimcbee · 12-21-12, 02:05 PM

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Fully automatic rifle round firing weapon. (being serious this time)

Those have been illegal since the 30s. Se we can ban them again.

Neptunus Rex · 12-21-12, 02:16 PM

There is no "hidden" agenda. This is the crux of the whole issue, what is an assault weapon. Not looking for the legal definition, but perception, because that is what drives opinion.

There are no gotcha's here.

soopaman2 · 12-21-12, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Looks like you already brought one with your previous response, so I wouldn't say that it matters.

I was asking the OP to clarify, my troll detector rang a little bit.

My pro-gun stance has nothing to do with my interest in the purpose of this thread, considering all the other gun threads we have. I just want to know if I am responding to a troll, or a legit question.

I bought nothing daimyo-sama.

I was simply trying to feel out if this was pro or anti guns. So I could debate it properly.

Neptunus Rex · 12-21-12, 02:28 PM

For the record, I am pro-gun, 2nd amendment and I have no interest in pile driving anyone that doesn't agree with me.

Takeda Shingen · 12-21-12, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I was asking the OP to clarify, my troll detector rang a little bit.

My pro-gun stance has nothing to do with my interest in the purpose of this thread, considering all the other gun threads we have. I just want to know if I am responding to a troll, or a legit question.

I bought nothing daimyo-sama.

I was simply trying to feel out if this was pro or anti guns. So I could debate it properly.

Oh come on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Something a patriot would use.

It's fine if you feel that way, but that reeks of an agenda, which you accused the OP of.

And enough with the daimyo-sama stuff.

soopaman2 · 12-21-12, 02:34 PM

If there was an agenda on the OPs part, I hold no hostility.

I been nice, your the one attacking me Takeda.

I just want to know the op's intentions.

Before I accuse him of passive aggresiveness.

I am direct, I throw my views out there, despite peoples opinions on it.

I want the OP to do the same, before I invest any time arguing or agreeing with it.

As of so far, I been arguing with you Takeda, for no reason, as nothing has been clarified to me, just you attacking me, for asking for more info.

Takeda Shingen · 12-21-12, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soopaman2

If there was an agenda on the OPs part, I hold no hostility.

I been nice, your the one attacking me Takeda.

I just want to know the op's intentions.

Before I accuse him of passive aggresiveness.

I am direct, I throw my views out there, despite peoples opinions on it.

I want the OP to do the same, before I invest any time arguing or agreeing with it.

As of so far, I been arguing with you Takeda, for no reason, as nothing has been clarified to me, just you attacking me, for asking for more info.

Attacking you and attacking your point are different things. You need to distinguish between the two. I also explained that you brought an agenda with your patriot comment just as you accused Neptunus Rex of doing, which is certainly not fair to him, as the tone of his post was far more neutral than your's. You can backpedal if you want, but they are your words, not mine, not his.

As far as I can tell, he doesn't have an agenda, and didn't from the very first post. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

soopaman2 · 12-21-12, 02:47 PM

Thanks Neptunus Rex.

I meant no hostility, nor meant to judge you on views pro or con to my beliefs.

Live and love in peace Neptunus Rex.

You too Daimyo. I am fulfilled

Takeda Shingen · 12-21-12, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soopaman2

You too Daimyo. I am fulfilled

Again, my friends here call me Tak. You can call me Takeda.

View Poll Results: Define what an "assault weapon" is.
One that continues to fire when the trigger is held until ammo runs out.	16	88.89%
One that requires a magazine (or any size).	0	0%
One that hold more than a single round.	0	0%
One that looks like a "military" style weapon.	2	11.11%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

12-21-12, 01:34 PM	#1
Neptunus Rex Frogman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 294 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Define an "assault weapon" One that keeps firing when the trigger is held until ammo runs out? One that has a magazine? One that holds more than a single round? One that looks like a "military" style weapon? __________________ Neptunus Rex sends "In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president." A.C. 11-5-08

12-21-12, 01:38 PM	#2
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Last definition that Clinton signed. Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following: Folding or telescoping stock Pistol grip Bayonet mount Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally). Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following: Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm. Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following: Folding or telescoping stock Pistol grip Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds Detachable magazine. Notice this list excludes most of the guns people today are referring to as assault weapons.

12-21-12, 01:42 PM	#3
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Something a patriot would use. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

12-21-12, 01:44 PM	#4
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I always thought of an assault weapons (or at least ARs) as something that fires a rifle- or carbine-sized round from a fairly compact package that does not require frequent reloading. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

12-21-12, 01:48 PM	#5
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Fully automatic rifle round firing weapon. (being serious this time) I am still searching for a negative agenda for this thread, or if the OP is as disgusted by the term "assault rifle" as I am? Just wondering, alot of anti gun nuts abound, when bad crap happens, so I am naturally on guard. As liberal as I am, I am conservative on guns. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

12-21-12, 02:16 PM	#8
Neptunus Rex Frogman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 294 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There is no "hidden" agenda. This is the crux of the whole issue, what is an assault weapon. Not looking for the legal definition, but perception, because that is what drives opinion. There are no gotcha's here. __________________ Neptunus Rex sends "In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president." A.C. 11-5-08

12-21-12, 02:28 PM	#10
Neptunus Rex Frogman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 294 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	For the record, I am pro-gun, 2nd amendment and I have no interest in pile driving anyone that doesn't agree with me. __________________ Neptunus Rex sends "In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president." A.C. 11-5-08

12-21-12, 02:34 PM	#12
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	If there was an agenda on the OPs part, I hold no hostility. I been nice, your the one attacking me Takeda. I just want to know the op's intentions. Before I accuse him of passive aggresiveness. I am direct, I throw my views out there, despite peoples opinions on it. I want the OP to do the same, before I invest any time arguing or agreeing with it. As of so far, I been arguing with you Takeda, for no reason, as nothing has been clarified to me, just you attacking me, for asking for more info. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

12-21-12, 02:47 PM	#14
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Thanks Neptunus Rex. I meant no hostility, nor meant to judge you on views pro or con to my beliefs. Live and love in peace Neptunus Rex. You too Daimyo. I am fulfilled __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.