Connecticut 'gunman dead' after US school shooting

[Jimbuna]

^ Great and accurate post

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Catfish

As an 'answer', the National rifle association has just proposed to arm teachers and pupils, so they can shoot back in the future.

Anyone that seriously thinks that this is the answer is part of the problem.

[Cybermat47]

Now the lack of a hell makes me sad.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Platapus

This is one of the problems with 24/7 news reporting: There is no 24/7 flow of information.

It takes time to gather the information about this attack. But since the public expects all the information an hour after the attack, the news media, instead of just being honest ("no information has been reported") tend to report information from unreliable sources.

In today's entertainment/news media, an inaccurate report first is always better than an accurate report the next day.

We really need to let the authorities have the time to gather and then report the actual facts and not just an "unidentified source not authorized to speak"'s opinion.

Well said

I also await the police report.

Markus

[Factor]

I own a M4A3 carbine. The exact same rifle used to murder those babies. I think Monday, I am calling the sheriff to come get this thing, if he can assure me that this thing will be destroyed.

I will keep my handguns, but I dont need this thing, We dont need this thing. crazy.

I have a 5 yr old beautiful daughter, that I can hardly look at tonight without tearing up. Shes my life, and if anything ever happened to her, I would be buried right beside her, I promise you that.

Hug your kids tight. Let them know.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I do think the future will be certain teachers/admin will be armed with weapons that require fingerprint safety technology.

I doubt that any school board will ever sanction the arming of district personnel. The district that I worked in had unarmed roaming uniformed security guards at the middle and high school level. It seems far more likely that this type of security will be at the elementary school.

[mapuc]

I have a friend on FB And he is adamantly in favor of 2 amendment. it happens that his friends come with proposals on changes to this constitution, those times it happens, he becomes very angry. I have visited his wall and seen some of his friends to be very tough on him.

Markus

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Anyone that seriously thinks that this is the answer is part of the problem.

I don't pretend to know one way or the other, but the reported facts are that at least two of the teachers died trying to rush the gunman.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I doubt that any school board will ever sanction the arming of district personnel. The district that I worked in had unarmed roaming uniformed security guards at the middle and high school level. It seems far more likely that this type of security will be at the elementary school.

An unarmed guard is useless in a gun attack. I agree guns aren't the best answer, but with school funding low, we're not going to spend the money to bring schools up where they should be. Seems this school took strong security measures and the state has some of the strongest gun laws, neither stopped this nut.

Heck, in our rural district, poor county, they don't even practice lock downs any anyone can walk in any school.

Course we arm teachers, eventually we'll have a story of a nut teacher going off in class and shooting a student....

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Armistead

An unarmed guard is useless in a gun attack.

In the attack? Maybe. In preventing an attack? Not at all.

Every school that I have ever worked in had all doors locked during normal school hours. As such, there was no way in. In the high school and middle schools I worked in, there was security at the main entrance and several security personnel roving the building all day checking for, among other things, the state of the doors to the outside and non-tagged individuals.

However, in every elementary school I worked in, where there were no security personnel, there was also an 'underground' way into the building. There was always a certain exit, usually in the back or in some low-traffic area, that maintenance would conveniently 'forget' to lock every day, as sort of a quick in-and-out for not only the maintenance, but for less dedicated teachers that would sneak out during prep periods for coffee and whatnot. The lack of roving security meant that these entrances went unchecked. Every teacher in the school knew what door to use. In fact, I have seen the adult children of teachers visit their parents through those doors as well, and I would wager that Friday's killer knew about such an entrance, and probably used it himself in the past. Getting in, even with a rifle, would have been child's play.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

In the attack? Maybe. In preventing an attack? Not at all.

Every school that I have ever worked in had all doors locked during normal school hours. As such, there was no way in. In the high school and middle schools I worked in, there was security at the main entrance and several security personnel roving the building all day checking for, among other things, the state of the doors to the outside and non-tagged individuals.

However, in every elementary school I worked in, where there were no security personnel, there was also an 'underground' way into the building. There was always a certain exit, usually in the back or in some low-traffic area, that maintenance would conveniently 'forget' to lock every day, as sort of a quick in-and-out for not only the maintenance, but for less dedicated teachers that would sneak out during prep periods for coffee and whatnot. The lack of roving security meant that these entrances went unchecked. Every teacher in the school knew what door to use. In fact, I have seen the adult children of teachers visit their parents through those doors as well, and I would wager that Friday's killer knew about such an entrance, and probably used it himself in the past. Getting in, even with a rifle, would have been child's play.

In my sons last school district in the "city" each school had a cop. Let's face it, if someone wants to do this, not much will stop them.

[August]

This reminds me of what one of my students did for a job when stationed in Afghanistan.

His platoon escorted children from their homes and villages to school every day, stayed all day providing perimeter security while classes were held, sometimes taking sniper and mortar fire, then they escorted them back home afterwards. Every day.

God bless them for their service but if we're willing to do that for foreign children then I don't want to hear we can't afford to have an armed guard at our schools and if properly qualified teachers and principles want keep a weapon they can get to in such an emergency then I don't want to hear some administrator deny them the right to defend themselves and their charges.

[AVGWarhawk]

August, my kids school has a county officer on campus everyday. Not a rent a cop. This is a armed officer and can affect arrest like any other cop.. Officer Hubbard. Great guy. The students like him. He takes no crap. Glad he is there.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

August, my kids school has a county officer on campus everyday. Not a rent a cop. This is a armed officer and can affect arrest like any other cop.. Officer Hubbard. Great guy. The students like him. He takes no crap. Glad he is there.

Good. If we can have cops guard roadside construction sites and fat cat politician motorcades then we can darn well have one guard the entrance to the building that contains our future. I have no children of my own but i'd be willing to see my property taxes rise to pay for him to be there.

Had there been one in Sandy Hook he could have made the difference.

[Stealhead]

In Florida they call them a school resource officer usually they are county deputies but they might be police in some schools even at elementary schools there is one there full time most high schools have one or two and I assume that large school might have more.They are very good to have around when you have an angry or estranged parent shows up at a school which is not too uncommon.Of course they are useful for many other reasons.

It has been like that at least where I went to school for a long time they started having the officers back a year or so before I graduated high school in the early 90's.I notice that there has never been a mass shooting in a Florida school so far.In my school when I was there even fights where fairly rare and I am pretty sure that the presence of a law enforcement officer was the reason why prior to the program there had been a lot of trouble with mostly wanna be(a wanna be is bad enough) gang bangers causing trouble after the program that ended in a matter a days.