Questions about the Crew

[Succat]

Hey guyz,

im playing with GWX and im asking myself which crewmember can work better on the diffrent stations, the monkeys (seaman) or the boatswain? Or do i need a mix of them?

Also, im playing with WSM and i gues the Weapon Officer is not needed anymore for service with AA-guns and 10,5 Turrets? As far as i can see, he´s only needed for torpedo actions.

Thanks for answer´s.

[Pisces]

The boatswains hold out longer with regard to fatigue. They can also have a speciallity in which they excell and add extra to the station's endurance bar. (small badges/icon attached to them, signifying their ideal station) But you can only have a limited amount on them onboard, so you'll have to choose where to put them. And fill the remaining with the other seamen.

If you use SH3 Commander then you can turn off the fatigue system, and then it doesn't matter much who goes where. Except that the speciallized boatswains perform better at their stations.

I'm not familiar with the WSM mod. Or whatever it is.

[Succat]

Thanks for that so far. If you dont know you should try it, its great.




Two questions about that picture, what is the green bar over the station for?

And if i use the max boatswain´s crew with special skill for the (example) deckgun station even if the green bar is full, what happens? Does it aim better or reload faster?

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by Succat

Thanks for that so far. If you dont know you should try it, its great.

Nahh. Thanks, but I feel comfy sneaking under the waves.

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Two questions about that picture, what is the green bar over the station for?

And if i use the max boatswain´s crew with special skill for the (example) deckgun station even if the green bar is full, what happens? Does it aim better or reload faster?

In my experience this is just the total compartment fitness. The sum of your crew's endurance. I don't know how it affects targeting accuracy, since I rarely let them use the flak. Can't say I've seen better use of the deckgun either by the crew based on these levels. But I don't really care either. I usually do it myself.

The engine compartment and torpedo compartment do however have a certain threshold where operations stop. Below some level the engines stop, and torpedo reload stops also. Where this level is, is probably dependant on the mods you are playing.

Since I do my own torpedo targeting I can't see how this influences my accuracy. Might have an effect on duds/premature detonations. But that is simply speculation on my part.

[padi]

What is the actual Version of the WSM and fan it run either on GWX and on Ccom 9.0?

[Gerald]

[Vipre]

The green bar is as I understand it actually compartment efficiency by default. Too little green your engines won't run, your gunners can barely hit the ocean, and so on. This can be a result of too few crewmen trying to run things, or anything that makes a crewman unable to do his job such as exhaustion or injury, which has the same effect as the crewman not being there thus lowering efficiency.

Boatswains and officers are better at their jobs as such add more to the bar than an equal number of sailors all else being equal, qualifications boost that effect even further.

[Succat]

Originally Posted by Pisces

In my experience this is just the total compartment fitness. The sum of your crew's endurance. I don't know how it affects targeting accuracy, since I rarely let them use the flak. Can't say I've seen better use of the deckgun either by the crew based on these levels. But I don't really care either. I usually do it myself.

The engine compartment and torpedo compartment do however have a certain threshold where operations stop. Below some level the engines stop, and torpedo reload stops also. Where this level is, is probably dependant on the mods you are playing.

Since I do my own torpedo targeting I can't see how this influences my accuracy. Might have an effect on duds/premature detonations. But that is simply speculation on my part.

Well i never cared about that too, but the problem with WSM is, if you rise in the campaign over about 1942 the enemys crew level (even random) is most time about "Veteran" or "Elite" (maybe a bit less but sure after 1943) and even convoy ships got merchant vessels with 1 or more guns on it. And with such an high crew rating, these guys hit you with almost every shot in range of 10000 m. So i was thinking about training some boatswains at the guns so maybe i can fire at them from the distance. Very bad are destroyers, because they close up on you and hit you with every shot and because of their small silhouette when directly steering at you, these beasts are very hard to hit and in a convoy with like 4 of them its impossible to win that or your ship sinks after the battle most of the time.

Originally Posted by padi

What is the actual Version of the WSM and fan it run either on GWX and on Ccom 9.0?

As far as i know, there are 3 Versions out for SHIII:

- WSM 2.0 - Very nice ships but the radio and radar is not working, very very bad and almost not playable. With that you not getting any messages and cant scan ships, convoys etc. in your area...good for a short test or single mission fun with that ships but impossible to play a campaign with it.

- WSM 3.0 - Radio and Radar works but not so much ships like in 2.0.

- WSM 3.0 GWX - Runs perfekt with GWX 3.0 Gold, Radio and Radar works and im using it all the time.

If you need some of these let me know, took me some time to find that things.

Originally Posted by Vendor

Originally Posted by Vipre

The green bar is as I understand it actually compartment efficiency by default. Too little green your engines won't run, your gunners can barely hit the ocean, and so on. This can be a result of too few crewmen trying to run things, or anything that makes a crewman unable to do his job such as exhaustion or injury, which has the same effect as the crewman not being there thus lowering efficiency.

Boatswains and officers are better at their jobs as such add more to the bar than an equal number of sailors all else being equal, qualifications boost that effect even further.

So finally there is to say, im gonna fill up as much crew with boatswains as i can and the rest with monkeys. I tried it with the diesel engine for example but there is no speed increase....maybe the ship accelerate is better but i dont think so...

[HundertzehnGustav]

I tried it with the diesel engine for example but there is no speed increase....maybe the ship accelerate is better but i dont think so...


The question is not faster or slower - the question is: can the engine run; yes or no? Is there enough "ammassed efficency" to run the engines?

With noob Monkeys, you need more of them than with experienced Monkeys...
and the engine room is small: you can only fit so many men in there.

[Succat]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

The question is not faster or slower - the question is: can the engine run; yes or no? Is there enough "ammassed efficency" to run the engines?

With noob Monkeys, you need more of them than with experienced Monkeys...
and the engine room is small: you can only fit so many men in there.

Your right, i tried today to fill up the deckgun station with 3 boatswains with gunner skill, about 700/500 Exp. and almost all medals. The watch officer got all medals and gunner and watch skill....and these guys fired so horrible....i could have used the monkeys instead of boatswains and get the same...

Another good idea but ubi missed it...

[HundertzehnGustav]

depends, depends. define horrible.
compare real life numbers (shots fired/Hits scored) and your experience ingame.
i bet your guys are better than the real thing. in worse conditions, over longer distances on equally small targets.
And they reload their 88 and 105 guns much better than the average crew did back then.

and if you are STILL pissed off, then do it yourself... simple as that!

Give the game a break...?
And why dissing ubi? because they give you uber tools and you are still not satisfied?

[Succat]

Can't really understand your reaction now?

I´m not pissed of just doing normal conversation with you...im not "dissing" ubi i just marked that they could have done more out of that crew system...I also dont want them to hit by every shot or beeing "ueber" soldiers or what ever....

After a few battles with the boatswain gunners and the officer with gunner skill i see the diffrence, the gunners are better then normal seaman´s. I think that´s based on the exp level but im not sure about it:

[HundertzehnGustav]

"horrible shooting" and "ubi missed it"

led me to lose it.

Its an old game. Its a game. Ubi can not please everyone.

and of course its the easiest thing to say: "they could have done better", hm?

How about you let the first two, three patrols be as they are. As shafty as the results will be. Accept them as they come, find out the difficulties, and try not to get yourself killed.

and if you get yourself killed, start over, incorporating your own experience:
- buy higher level crew, no noobs
- if unsatisfied with their shooting, man the guns yourself
- tactics

If you manage to keep your crew alive, not only for 3 months, but for 4 years, you will see a significant increase of the green bar.
cause, even if the monkeys CAN be promoted (by experience numbers) not always do you acually get permission to promote them. Or all of them.

It takes a looooot of time. not days or a week of playing.
Months.