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Red October1984 · 10-16-12, 10:25 PM

In the little farming community that I live in, we are for Romney. IMHO, Romney won that debate. We all think here that he'll be a good president and I remember watching Paul Ryan on Meet the Press. His plans made sense to me. I really think Romney/Ryan can pull it off. Or at least be a little better than Obama.

That's all I'm going to say on this matter. In my tiny little town and several town around, I have yet to meet an Obama supporter.

Armistead · 10-16-12, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

In the little farming community that I live in, we are for Romney. IMHO, Romney won that debate. We all think here that he'll be a good president and I remember watching Paul Ryan on Meet the Press. His plans made sense to me. I really think Romney/Ryan can pull it off. Or at least be a little better than Obama.

That's all I'm going to say on this matter. In my tiny little town and several town around, I have yet to meet an Obama supporter.

Tiny towns don't win elections........

As for a good president, I wouldn't give two cents for either of them.

All these plans we hear are just to tickle our ears. I love when I hear one of them say " here is what I will do", we know most of what they plan will never happen. Both will keep putting bandaids on issues until we implode. SS and medicare will go bankrupt. They will serve their special interest and lobbiest and keep passing the issues on. The debt will keep growing, the rich will get richer, the poor poorer. We will have had our time in history, hopefully we can rise again after it falls apart.

Oberon · 10-16-12, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

This debate was more entertaining. "Binder of women"

That is a meme that is probably already happening!

Red October1984 · 10-16-12, 10:41 PM

Tiny towns might not win elections, but, we are still citizens.

We have Middle Class People, we have Upper Class and Lower class too. We are still Citizens...our opinion still matters.

I am not an official spokesperson of my town. I bet there's one or two families that have a problem with Romney. But we are also largely Catholic. Birth control and contraception is against our religion. We have more than a few reasons to dislike Obama's administration.

Oberon · 10-16-12, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

Tiny towns might not win elections, but, we are still citizens.

We have Middle Class People, we have Upper Class and Lower class too. We are still Citizens...our opinion still matters.

I am not an official spokesperson of my town. I bet there's one or two families that have a problem with Romney. But we are also largely Catholic. Birth control and contraception is against our religion. We have more than a few reasons to dislike Obama's administration.

I'm guessing you live in a Republican 'safe-state'?

Cybermat47 · 10-16-12, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

But we are also largely Catholic. Birth control and contraception is against our religion. We have more than a few reasons to dislike Obama's administration.

I think that if the woman wants an abortion, it's her choice. But, as an Anglican and a person, I'm opposed to abortion.
But it's not my choice.

August · 10-16-12, 11:08 PM

The question is not whether a woman should have access to abortions, I don't see that right being threatened, but rather who should be forced to pay for it.

Making people who see abortion as a form of murder pay for it via mandatory worker health care insurance is forcing them to participate in something against their religious beliefs. Obamacare would have been far more palatable if it didn't include that.

CaptainMattJ. · 10-16-12, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

I think that if the woman wants an abortion, it's her choice. But, as an Anglican and a person, I'm opposed to abortion.
But it's not my choice.

Exactly. It shares a likeness with the issue of gay marriage. Its against your religion, and? Your point being? We should start keeping other people from doing it just because your religion says its wrong? No. We leave it to them.

Although there is an issue of when a fetus can be declared a living functioning human. id say about 12-15 weeks, i believe the limit should be about week 17. 1215 weeks is when the baby begins to develop its brain to the point where it is sectioning off areas for different functions and about 17 is moving and very alive indeed. It is a very touchy issue. Week 10 is when they can be distinguished as a human being. before then i believe its a bit too underdeveloped to be called a functioning human, but week 17 seems and appropriate limit. By then woman should very well know if they are pregnant, skipping 4 periods and showing sings of pregnancy.

As for birth control, i think its absurd to denounce it. If you do not have the ability to care for a child, why would you bring him into this world? People who use birth control, even a simple condom, are probably using it to prevent something that they cant possibly afford to do. Having available the ability to control the spread of disease and prevent children from suffering because of the fact that their parents cant afford to take care of them is a dam good outcome if you ask me.

Also, i wasnt necessarily directing this at you cybermat, just to let you know

Oberon · 10-16-12, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

1215 weeks is when the baby begins to develop its brain to the point where it is sectioning off areas for different functions

At 23 years old? This explains a LOT about some people...

(I kid, I know what you meant...I just couldn't resist)

Cybermat47 · 10-16-12, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Exactly. It shares a likeness with the issue of gay marriage. Its against your religion, and? Your point being? We should start keeping other people from doing it just because your religion says its wrong? No. We leave it to them.

Gay marriage is different.
Not letting them marry is treating them like a 2nd-rate-citizen.
I whole-heartedly support gay marriage. And I really, really, want to kill that Ugandan priest who thinks its ok for a straight person to rape someone, but it's a crime against nature if a gay person does it.

10-17-12, 02:30 AM

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Making people who see abortion as a form of murder pay for it via mandatory worker health care insurance is forcing them to participate in something against their religious beliefs.

Should quakers be exempt from tax as a portion of that tax is spent on things that go against their belief?

AVGWarhawk · 10-17-12, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Should quakers be exempt from tax as a portion of that tax is spent on things that go against their belief?

No. This would set a precedence and open the door to all kinds of silly exemptions. The Amish pay taxes like everyone else.

10-17-12, 05:35 AM

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No. This would set a precedence and open the door to all kinds of silly exemptions. The Amish pay taxes like everyone else.

Thank you
So that means the quoted obamacare abortions line doesn't work either

Red October1984 · 10-17-12, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I'm guessing you live in a Republican 'safe-state'?

It's Missouri...I've been thru a few elections in my life and I don't remember a time when Missouri went democrat.

AVGWarhawk · 10-17-12, 08:32 AM

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Thank you
So that means the quoted obamacare abortions line doesn't work either

That is debatable. Taxed to death is one thing. Surgically put to death is another.

10-16-12, 10:25 PM	#136
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	In the little farming community that I live in, we are for Romney. IMHO, Romney won that debate. We all think here that he'll be a good president and I remember watching Paul Ryan on Meet the Press. His plans made sense to me. I really think Romney/Ryan can pull it off. Or at least be a little better than Obama. That's all I'm going to say on this matter. In my tiny little town and several town around, I have yet to meet an Obama supporter. __________________

10-16-12, 10:41 PM	#139
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Tiny towns might not win elections, but, we are still citizens. We have Middle Class People, we have Upper Class and Lower class too. We are still Citizens...our opinion still matters. I am not an official spokesperson of my town. I bet there's one or two families that have a problem with Romney. But we are also largely Catholic. Birth control and contraception is against our religion. We have more than a few reasons to dislike Obama's administration. __________________

10-16-12, 11:08 PM	#142
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,247 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The question is not whether a woman should have access to abortions, I don't see that right being threatened, but rather who should be forced to pay for it. Making people who see abortion as a form of murder pay for it via mandatory worker health care insurance is forcing them to participate in something against their religious beliefs. Obamacare would have been far more palatable if it didn't include that. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.