GWX team on SH5? MAYBE....please

[JU_88]

I never could get my head around actually modding Dats and what have you, I tried several times, but never got very far.
However Silent Hunter 3 is what pushed me in to 3d modelling and Im very happy it did. Easily the the most rewarding hobby I have ever had.

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Originally Posted by Targor Avelany

And that is where it all starts: by the above I did not mean that privateer or TDW somehow MUST PROVIDE US WITH THINGS.... No...

Just the learning curve of the game files is a PAIN... So it takes a very long time.
And yeah, most likely TDW will figure out and finish his amazing GR2 Viewer/Editor tool much sooner then I'll be able to understand half of what amazing stuff he's doing or even HOW he's doing it, but it doesn't mean we should all just sit and wait till they give us stuff... Learn, try, figure things out.

This is the right spirit, Targor...

Originally Posted by privateer

It's all a matter of how bad you want to learn or figure something out.
Can you put aside other stuff to devote the time?
I did and many times I regret that!


Not the results or knowledge. But the things I missed doing with friends in real life.

So I don't drive as hard anymore with modding.
(Plus I didn't have a system that was good enuff. Now I do.)

...and this is the limit we shouldn't cross. Wise words privateer, if only I could fulfil them

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Originally Posted by JU_88

I never could get my head around actually modding Dats and what have you, I tried several times, but never got very far.
However Silent Hunter 3 is what pushed me in to 3d modelling and Im very happy it did. Easily the the most rewarding hobby I have ever had.

What tool are you using JU_88? I mean for dat editing...

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by gap

What tool are you using JU_88? I mean for dat editing...

Right now nothing lol, last time i tried was 2010, I used the S3d editor, still that was leaps and bounds ahead of that java based Pack3d which is the is one of the first tools people used to import stuff in to Sh3.

True about the secrecy and competative rivalry between modders back then. It often got way out of hand too.

Some of the newer guys saw some of the older guys as elitist ego maniacs who would harbour the tools they created - by refusing to to share, they were putting themselves first.
While some of the older guys saw some of the newer guys as leecher types, who wanted to exploit there work for an easy ride - or just used there tool as a base for plagerism.
Both were right and wrong on different occasions, but it did make for very unpleasent atmostphere, one that the subsim community is much better without now.
The bickering and drama got so bad at times, that it caused some really good people to simply throw in the towl.

On top of that a war broke out between some ATO and PTO fans. It is with regret that I have to admit that I was apart of that myself, I feel pretty pathetic when i think about it now.

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Right now nothing lol, last time i tried was 2010, I used the S3d editor, still that was leaps and bounds ahead of that java based Pack3d which is the is one of the first tools people used to import stuff in to Sh3.

Though not fully supporting SH5, in some cases s3d is still a valid tool.

Nevertheless, learning to use Goblin Editor and TDW's GR2 editor will greatly extend the range of SH5 aspects you will be able to mod. I suggest you to read this post for further details.

Originally Posted by JU_88

True about the secrecy and competative rivalry between modders back then. It often got way out of hand too.

Some of the newer guys saw some of the older guys as elitist ego maniacs who would harbour the tools they created - by refusing to to share, they were putting themselves first.
While some of the older guys saw some of the newer guys as leecher types, who wanted to exploit there work for an easy ride - or just used there tool as a base for plagerism.
Both were right and wrong on different occasions, but it did make for very unpleasent atmostphere, one that the subsim community is much better without now.
The bickering and drama got so bad at times, that it caused some really good people to simply throw in the towl.

On top of that a war broke out between some ATO and PTO fans. It is with regret that I have to admit that I was apart of that myself, I feel pretty pathetic when i think about it now.

Interesting story. It explains a lot about the controversy that some time ago blew up between some SH5 and SHIII/GWX supporters. I was sure that there was more behind it than I could understand at that time, given my limited knowledge of the SHIII/IV/5 "extended family".

Hopefully the misunderstandings are worked out now, and the general atmosphere is much more relaxed.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by gap

Though not fully supporting SH5, in some cases s3d is still a valid tool.
Nevertheless, learning to use Goblin Editor and TDW's GR2 editor will greatly extend the range of SH5 aspects you will be able to mod. I suggest you to read this post for further details.

Id love to but i really dont have time for it at the moment.
50% of time is spent doing free lance work, the other 50% is taking care of my kid.

Originally Posted by gap

Interesting story. It explains a lot about the controversy that some time ago blew up between some SH5 and SHIII/GWX supporters. I was sure that there was more behind it than I could understand with my limited knowledge of the SHIII/IV/5 "extended family".

Hopefully the misunderstandings are worked out now, and the general atmosphere is much more relaxed.

Yeah, thankfully (to the best of my knowledge) those past disputes are dead and buried

Originally Posted by JU_88

The bickering and drama got so bad at times, that it caused some really good people to simply throw in the towl.

yes, a lot of very talented people walked away back then because of all the drama but i think all those that were involved wether deeply or just as bystanders would feel much different today about the discussions that were had now that some time has past.

egos were much bigger back then and the "look at me" aspect isnt as big a deal to modders today.

back then there were a petty few looking to make a name for themselves no matter what it took even if that meant taking credit for the work of others or they would not be willing to give proper credit or recognition to another modder and i dont think that would be accepted by todays community and they would be properly ostracised for it.

the modders today didnt have that atmosphere to deal with and modders are more willing about sharing with the community and teaching others then worrying about who gets credit for discovering something so there just isnt that individual competativeness between modders to keep everything secret and it has been replaced with cooperation and sharing of ideas and technics