where is Kiel?

Pisces · 08-17-12, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by oppolo

hello, my mission is 23 oct 1939, starting from Kiel I have to patrol an area about south west of Ireland and then return to kiel.

after passed the Kiel canal now, after 2 or 3 days, I am north Poland direct to the english Channel, it is nigth and there is a small poland war ship, in you opinion what could I do? try to sink it or leave it and go to the assigned patrol area?

a small help please, i know very small about this game

thanks in advance

How do you get from Kiel to Ireland via Poland, after first going through the Kiel Kanal? Maybe you should send your Navigator back to the Academy lessons.

oppolo · 08-17-12, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pisces

How do you get from Kiel to Ireland via Poland, after first going through the Kiel Kanal? Maybe you should send your Navigator back to the Academy lessons.

mmm, isn't it right?

Pisces · 08-17-12, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by oppolo

mmm, isn't it right?

Yes, it is. Though rumour (scuttlebutt) has it that the Channel is bloody crowded that time of year. Not that crowded that you can 'walk on the heads of coastal swimmers' though. But that might change soon.

Anyway, you mentioned you are north of Poland. That's beyond the right edge of your screenshot. That can't be right, or along your track.

Kongo Otto · 08-17-12, 05:18 AM

I wouldn't travel via "La manica" aka The Channel, be sure to find a load of RN Destroyers and Air Cover there. IIRC it was strictly forbidden to travel the Channel by U-Boots after the war began.

I travel this way:

oppolo · 08-17-12, 05:34 AM

ahh ok yes yes, you are completely right, in fact i was in error, the ship i saw before it wasn't polish but duch, I was wrong with the flag

I read in the early war it was easy to go trought English Channel, at the entrance I sank a french merchant with 2 torpedos and some cannon hits, by now I am there, we'll see if I reach the assigned patrol area: AM69, it's day and whether is clear, at the return I'll do that way

Red Heat · 08-19-12, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

I wouldn't travel via "La manica" aka The Channel, be sure to find a load of RN Destroyers and Air Cover there. IIRC it was strictly forbidden to travel the Channel by U-Boots after the war began.

I travel this way:

Ahh...yes the classical voyage in to the Atlantic.
Its my route too...in the begining of the War!

oppolo · 08-19-12, 05:16 PM

thanks, any tip is appreciated

now I am sudwest of Ireland, there is a convoy course sudwest but any attemps fail, i tried to set impact or magnet, 1 meter or 3 or 5 or....nothing, the torpedos always pass under keel, so, is it possible to hit some ship in rough water?

Pisces · 08-20-12, 09:57 AM

It's tricky with bad weather, since the ships move up and down on the waves. Best bet is to fire at minimal depth and with magnetic detonator. If by any chance the enemy is at the bottom of a wave when the torpedo is about to cross paths, then it still can use the impact detonator on the side of the hull. Magnetic does not exclude impact. But there is a high chance it goes dud because it bounces off the curved path of the hull. In short, it's uncertain!

sublynx · 08-20-12, 11:37 AM

If you use Stiebler's addon it's probably best not to try shooting at small ships in rough seas. The torpedo will just be thrown off course by the waves.

In vanilla and GWX I guess you could set the depth setting to 0 meters. That is very unrealistic, but as far as I know Stiebler's addon was the first modeling of the risk for a torpedo coming a surface runner.

Sailor Steve · 08-17-12, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by oppolo

thanks
what could be? 1000, 1500, 2000 meters? I play 71% realism

I never shoot at merchants from more than 1000 meters, 500 if possible. As for destroyers, I don't attack them at all. If I did, I would only shoot from 1000 meters or less, and only if he was passing in front of me and didn't know I was there. This is pretty funny because back in the Silent Service days I used to dogfight with destroyers. Of course in that game you were aware of the exact position of every ship and could shoot torpedoes from any depth.

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Originally Posted by oppolo

mmm, isn't it right?

I always use the real-life rule that u-boats were absolutely forbidden to use the English Channel to transit to the Atlantic. In August 1939 they didn't want the Brits to know what they were up to, and after the war started they knew that the Royal Navy's largest base, Portsmouth, was in the Channel and the Dover end would almost certainly be mined.

CherryHarbey · 08-17-12, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

This is pretty funny because back in the Silent Service days I used to dogfight with destroyers. Of course in that game you were aware of the exact position of every ship and could shoot torpedoes from any depth.

Ahh the memories, Silent Service II , let the destroyer know where you are, stay still, let him come towards you gun barrel straight and fire a torp at him 0 deg AoB. Pick off the merchants with your unlimited ammo deck gun.
Sorry for going off topic but I think we have all found Kiel now

Sailor Steve · 08-17-12, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CherryHarbey

Ahh the memories, Silent Service II , let the destroyer know where you are, stay still, let him come towards you gun barrel straight and fire a torp at him 0 deg AoB. Pick off the merchants with your unlimited ammo deck gun.
Sorry for going off topic but I think we have all found Kiel now

I would circle at 300'. I got very good at predicting where one would be and firing from there. I had a very good hit rate. When the game lets you cheat it becomes easy.

grislyatoms · 08-24-12, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I never shoot at merchants from more than 1000 meters, 500 if possible. As for destroyers, I don't attack them at all. If I did, I would only shoot from 1000 meters or less, and only if he was passing in front of me and didn't know I was there. This is pretty funny because back in the Silent Service days I used to dogfight with destroyers. Of course in that game you were aware of the exact position of every ship and could shoot torpedoes from any depth.

I always use the real-life rule that u-boats were absolutely forbidden to use the English Channel to transit to the Atlantic. In August 1939 they didn't want the Brits to know what they were up to, and after the war started they knew that the Royal Navy's largest base, Portsmouth, was in the Channel and the Dover end would almost certainly be mined.

You can get away with it in Sept. or Oct. 1939. After that, it's certain, sudden death.

Sailor Steve · 08-24-12, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by grislyatoms

You can get away with it in Sept. or Oct. 1939. After that, it's certain, sudden death.

You couldn't get away with it in real life. Even if you survived the passage your career would not survive your flaunting of orders.

melnibonian · 08-25-12, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You couldn't get away with it in real life. Even if you survived the passage your career would not survive your flaunting of orders.

Well said Steve

08-20-12, 09:57 AM	#8
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	It's tricky with bad weather, since the ships move up and down on the waves. Best bet is to fire at minimal depth and with magnetic detonator. If by any chance the enemy is at the bottom of a wave when the torpedo is about to cross paths, then it still can use the impact detonator on the side of the hull. Magnetic does not exclude impact. But there is a high chance it goes dud because it bounces off the curved path of the hull. In short, it's uncertain! __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

08-20-12, 11:37 AM	#9
sublynx Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In the conning tower of my VIIC scanning the sea through the periscope Posts: 1,698 Downloads: 173 Uploads: 7	If you use Stiebler's addon it's probably best not to try shooting at small ships in rough seas. The torpedo will just be thrown off course by the waves. In vanilla and GWX I guess you could set the depth setting to 0 meters. That is very unrealistic, but as far as I know Stiebler's addon was the first modeling of the risk for a torpedo coming a surface runner. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] NYGM+H.sie v16+Stiebler 4C+MaGui WS

08-17-12, 05:18 AM	#4
Kongo Otto Commodore Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Augsburg / Germany Posts: 631 Downloads: 203 Uploads: 0	I wouldn't travel via "La manica" aka The Channel, be sure to find a load of RN Destroyers and Air Cover there. IIRC it was strictly forbidden to travel the Channel by U-Boots after the war began. I travel this way:

08-17-12, 05:34 AM	#5
oppolo Watch Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 17 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	ahh ok yes yes, you are completely right, in fact i was in error, the ship i saw before it wasn't polish but duch, I was wrong with the flag I read in the early war it was easy to go trought English Channel, at the entrance I sank a french merchant with 2 torpedos and some cannon hits, by now I am there, we'll see if I reach the assigned patrol area: AM69, it's day and whether is clear, at the return I'll do that way

08-19-12, 05:16 PM	#7
oppolo Watch Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 17 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	thanks, any tip is appreciated now I am sudwest of Ireland, there is a convoy course sudwest but any attemps fail, i tried to set impact or magnet, 1 meter or 3 or 5 or....nothing, the torpedos always pass under keel, so, is it possible to hit some ship in rough water?