I thought Iraq didn't have any WMD

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MH

You must be kidding right?

Right.

Now they have democracy....is that good?

At least no one is tortured anymore, at least not that i know of. However daily life and a civilian society will take time to be established, along with the avarage standard of living as it was before .. if those religious weirdos do not ruin it all again.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Right.


At least no one is tortured anymore, at least not that i know of. However daily life and a civilian society will take time to be established, along with the avarage standard of living as it was before .. if those religious weirdos do not ruin it all again.

Ill go to racist cultural thing by saying that Iraqi themselves ruin their own life.
They need to change their priorities.

[Catfish]

But that would be racist.
I, myself, blame it on the heat in those countries.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Right.


At least no one is tortured anymore, at least not that i know of. However daily life and a civilian society will take time to be established, along with the avarage standard of living as it was before .. if those religious weirdos do not ruin it all again.

An easy Websearch will show you how wrong you are there. There is not only torture still in Iraq, at least two years ago there was even more torture than there ever was under Saddam. So again, at least until 2010, torture became worse than it was before. Torture and secret torture rooms maintained by the government are still reported until today. So are death squads and secret police executions.

Crime also is high. Abductions, blackmailing, ethnic cleansing, and the kicking out of non-Muslims anyway.

And just today they reported that the killing in Iraq currently has hit the highest peak again since two years.

And while somewhere someboy mentioned Uday and his special taste for woman treatment, that creature was a sick piece of s###, yes. But by numbers his victim record did not compete with what they have today, it seems.

To say that the Iraq war helped to install a government with less torture, is like saying that the Afghanistan war has led to a democratic non-corrupt government where bribery is no issue anymore. Like in Iraq, it seems that bribery and corruption became worse under Karzai. And like in Iraq, there are many open bills that still wait to be payed out.

These are the kinds of wars Western soldiers get thrown away for like empty PET bottles, by criminal politicians without morals and without scruples. Not only were these wars absurd - they were a betrayal of said soldiers and treachery towards own nations and its people that until today gets fed lies and polit burea propaganda.

This makes me sick today - and from another perspective feeling lucky that 27 years ago I decided against a military career. This Western politics is not what I considered and was willing to serve for - this it was not.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Skybird

To say that the Iraq war helped to install a government with less torture, is like saying that the Afghanistan war has led to a democratic non-corrupt government where bribery is no issue anymore. Like in Iraq, it seems that bribery and corruption became worse under Karzai. And like in Iraq, there are many open bills that still wait to be payed out.
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All those things are issues that usually don't disappear just by the fact that the country had an election.
No one claimed this i think.
The country is a mess but there are signs of actual co - operation between Sunni and Shi'tes.
The government also tries to distance it self from extremism,it has complied constitution and there are no signs of pushing sharia laws from the top....
How it eventually works out it is hard to say but surly doom gloom is what people like to hear
Also question is how SA and Iranian affairs will influence the future of Iraq.

Ohh wait... some American companies cant wait to start pumping the oil at last.


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