I thought Iraq didn't have any WMD

krashkart · 07-31-12, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Why so defensive? We were told by those who said these guys lied that there were no wmd's in Iraq. That's obviously not true. That has nothing to do with whether those guys were liars or just mistaken.

Not defensive. I think they lied to us. I don't abide by liars. That's all.

August · 07-31-12, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by krashkart

Not defensive. I think they lied to us. I don't abide by liars. That's all.

And you're entitled to your opinion. I don't share it but you're entitled to it.

CCIP · 07-31-12, 07:19 PM

Also I'm not sure it matters whether they lied or not. They had a big responsibility to be forthright and they screwed up, with tens of thousands of Americans (and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis) paying with life or limb for a dubious cause as a result. They didn't trust international organizations who told them not to do it, and instead went with their own sources that later proved to be at best negligent, at worst guilty of falsifying evidence. I don't think two or three guys deserve all the blame, but they were the ones in the seat of power and if not them, then who? I think history has every reason to judge them harshly as a result.

August · 07-31-12, 07:36 PM

See there where you and I disagree CCIP. I think it was right to take out Saddam and his regime for other equally important reasons. As far as I'm concerned they were only finishing the job that should have been finished back in 1991. Saddam was a knife pointed at our back.

That doesn't mean I think they did a good job of it but it did have to be done.

Blood_splat · 07-31-12, 07:40 PM

I'm starting to think it was about establishing bases now.

Oberon · 07-31-12, 08:29 PM

Expecting a politician to tell the truth is like expecting a rock to write poetry.

Wars have been fought because of lies before, and they will be again, there was a reason behind this war, and the United States got something out of it, quite what that is will only really be known in the highest offices of power, but it certainly wasn't to do with WMDs that, I quote, "can be launched within 45 minutes", that, I think we can all agree now, was bull, and the only difference between that and some other wars is that the media found out that it was bull.

Blood_splat · 07-31-12, 08:52 PM

The media had 69% of people believing Saddam was personally responsible for 9-11.

It's good to be a defense contractor.

JU_88 · 08-01-12, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Blood_splat

The media had 69% of people believing Saddam was personally responsible for 9-11.

It's good to be a defense contractor.

^this

07-31-12, 07:19 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Also I'm not sure it matters whether they lied or not. They had a big responsibility to be forthright and they screwed up, with tens of thousands of Americans (and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis) paying with life or limb for a dubious cause as a result. They didn't trust international organizations who told them not to do it, and instead went with their own sources that later proved to be at best negligent, at worst guilty of falsifying evidence. I don't think two or three guys deserve all the blame, but they were the ones in the seat of power and if not them, then who? I think history has every reason to judge them harshly as a result. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

07-31-12, 07:36 PM	#4
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	See there where you and I disagree CCIP. I think it was right to take out Saddam and his regime for other equally important reasons. As far as I'm concerned they were only finishing the job that should have been finished back in 1991. Saddam was a knife pointed at our back. That doesn't mean I think they did a good job of it but it did have to be done. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I'm starting to think it was about establishing bases now.

07-31-12, 08:29 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Expecting a politician to tell the truth is like expecting a rock to write poetry. Wars have been fought because of lies before, and they will be again, there was a reason behind this war, and the United States got something out of it, quite what that is will only really be known in the highest offices of power, but it certainly wasn't to do with WMDs that, I quote, "can be launched within 45 minutes", that, I think we can all agree now, was bull, and the only difference between that and some other wars is that the media found out that it was bull.

07-31-12, 08:52 PM	#7
Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	The media had 69% of people believing Saddam was personally responsible for 9-11. It's good to be a defense contractor.