Batman movie shooting

eddie · 07-21-12, 03:55 PM

Like others, I've called this guy a nutcase. To do something like this you would have to be insane! But, how insane is he?

Look at the planning that went into this senseless act. From the outfit he wore, to the weapons he had, including the gas grenade, plus the explosive devices he planted in his apartment. That is some serious planning to pull that off. Someone who just snaps and starts shooting, usually doesn't do a lot of detailed planning like this.

Going to be interesting how his mental state plays out in court.

Stealhead · 07-21-12, 07:28 PM

I think he might have slipped over time he earned a masters in 2010 and spent some time looking for work without success then he enrolled in a phd program in CO that is very demanding and he was not doing well in the courses and ended up with drawing from the course.

Seems like this Holmes was a fairly successful student and ran into trouble it is also possible that he had mental issues that people where not even aware of and the stress of his recent failures caused mental issues that perhaps he had been able to restrain over take him.

I am not saying that is an excuse and even if he has serious mental issues he can still know right from wrong.Just because someone is a "nutcase" does not mean that they cant plan a course of action in their mind the goal seems logical.I personally do not think that any person simply "snaps" it is a process that takes time months or even years and they might plan for a long time before they act before they have the complete will to act.

@Jimbuna just because a state has the death penalty does not mean that they will carry it out. California has death but no man on death row has been put to death since 2006.Compare that to Texas and Florida FL executed an inmate in April 2012.Texas put a man to death just a few days ago.Colorado last put a man to death in 1997.In some states it is really symbolic(stupid if you ask me) in ohters you actually will be dead man walking.Some in Florida and Texas have only spent 2 or 3 years on death row.

Jimbuna · 07-22-12, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie

Like others, I've called this guy a nutcase. To do something like this you would have to be insane! But, how insane is he?

Look at the planning that went into this senseless act. From the outfit he wore, to the weapons he had, including the gas grenade, plus the explosive devices he planted in his apartment. That is some serious planning to pull that off. Someone who just snaps and starts shooting, usually doesn't do a lot of detailed planning like this.

Going to be interesting how his mental state plays out in court.

His actions may already prove in the end he wasn't actually insane

RickC Sniper · 07-22-12, 02:48 PM

Colorado reinstated the death penalty in 1975 as Jim pointed out, but they\we have only executed one person since then, and we have 3 criminals currently on death row.
I predict this guy will get a death sentence, but whether it is ever carried out is questionable.

To qualify for the death sentence in Colorado you need only establish one of the following criteria. #12 certainly is in play here.

Colorado-
(1)The murder was especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or depraved (or involved torture)
(2) The defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death for one or more persons in addition to the victim of the offense
(3) The defendant killed the victim while lying in wait
(4) The murder was committed for pecuniary gain or pursuant to an agreement that the defendant would receive something of value
(5)The defendant caused or directed another to commit murder, or the defendant procured the commission of the offense by payment, promise of payment, or anything of pecuniary value
(6) The murder was committed to avoid or prevent arrest, to effect an escape, or to conceal the commission of a crime
(7) The defendant has been convicted of, or committed, a prior murder, a felony involving violence, or other serious felony
(8) The capital offense was committed by a person who is incarcerated, has escaped, is on probation, is in jail, or is under a sentence of imprisonment
(9) The victim was a government employee, including peace officers, police officers, federal agents, firefighters, judges, jurors, defense attorneys, and prosecutors, in the course of his or her duties
(10) The victim was an elected or appointed official or former official of the federal government, or local or state government, and the killing intentionally prevented the victim's official duties
(11)The murder was committed against a person held as a shield, as a hostage, or for ransom
(12)The defendant used chemical, biological, or radiological weapons and/or the person intentionally killed more than one person in one criminal episode
(13)The victim was a pregnant woman and the defendant intentionally killed the victim, knowing she was pregnant
(14)The defendant committed treason
(15)The defendant's possession of the weapon used to commit the class 1 felony constituted a felony offense under the laws of the state
(16)The defendant intentionally killed more than one person in more than one criminal episode
(17)The defendant committed the class 1 felony against the victim because of the victim's race, color, ancestry, religion or national origin

Jimbuna · 07-22-12, 03:07 PM

What method is used in carrying out the death sentence?

RickC Sniper · 07-22-12, 03:18 PM

lethal injection

Stealhead · 07-22-12, 03:25 PM

Well Holmes falls under 1,2,and 12. I am surprised that there is not a specific code for the murder of a child.In Florida you can get death for severe sexual assault of a person under the age of 13 even if the victim does not die.

Jimbuna · 07-22-12, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

lethal injection

Rgr that, cheers.

07-22-12, 02:48 PM	#4
RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	Colorado reinstated the death penalty in 1975 as Jim pointed out, but they\we have only executed one person since then, and we have 3 criminals currently on death row. I predict this guy will get a death sentence, but whether it is ever carried out is questionable. To qualify for the death sentence in Colorado you need only establish one of the following criteria. #12 certainly is in play here. Colorado- (1)The murder was especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or depraved (or involved torture) (2) The defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death for one or more persons in addition to the victim of the offense (3) The defendant killed the victim while lying in wait (4) The murder was committed for pecuniary gain or pursuant to an agreement that the defendant would receive something of value (5)The defendant caused or directed another to commit murder, or the defendant procured the commission of the offense by payment, promise of payment, or anything of pecuniary value (6) The murder was committed to avoid or prevent arrest, to effect an escape, or to conceal the commission of a crime (7) The defendant has been convicted of, or committed, a prior murder, a felony involving violence, or other serious felony (8) The capital offense was committed by a person who is incarcerated, has escaped, is on probation, is in jail, or is under a sentence of imprisonment (9) The victim was a government employee, including peace officers, police officers, federal agents, firefighters, judges, jurors, defense attorneys, and prosecutors, in the course of his or her duties (10) The victim was an elected or appointed official or former official of the federal government, or local or state government, and the killing intentionally prevented the victim's official duties (11)The murder was committed against a person held as a shield, as a hostage, or for ransom (12)The defendant used chemical, biological, or radiological weapons and/or the person intentionally killed more than one person in one criminal episode (13)The victim was a pregnant woman and the defendant intentionally killed the victim, knowing she was pregnant (14)The defendant committed treason (15)The defendant's possession of the weapon used to commit the class 1 felony constituted a felony offense under the laws of the state (16)The defendant intentionally killed more than one person in more than one criminal episode (17)The defendant committed the class 1 felony against the victim because of the victim's race, color, ancestry, religion or national origin __________________ Support Subsim http://www.subsim.com/store.html

07-22-12, 03:07 PM	#5
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07-22-12, 03:18 PM	#6
RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	lethal injection __________________ Support Subsim http://www.subsim.com/store.html

07-21-12, 03:55 PM	#1
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Like others, I've called this guy a nutcase. To do something like this you would have to be insane! But, how insane is he? Look at the planning that went into this senseless act. From the outfit he wore, to the weapons he had, including the gas grenade, plus the explosive devices he planted in his apartment. That is some serious planning to pull that off. Someone who just snaps and starts shooting, usually doesn't do a lot of detailed planning like this. Going to be interesting how his mental state plays out in court. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

07-21-12, 07:28 PM	#2
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I think he might have slipped over time he earned a masters in 2010 and spent some time looking for work without success then he enrolled in a phd program in CO that is very demanding and he was not doing well in the courses and ended up with drawing from the course. Seems like this Holmes was a fairly successful student and ran into trouble it is also possible that he had mental issues that people where not even aware of and the stress of his recent failures caused mental issues that perhaps he had been able to restrain over take him. I am not saying that is an excuse and even if he has serious mental issues he can still know right from wrong.Just because someone is a "nutcase" does not mean that they cant plan a course of action in their mind the goal seems logical.I personally do not think that any person simply "snaps" it is a process that takes time months or even years and they might plan for a long time before they act before they have the complete will to act. @Jimbuna just because a state has the death penalty does not mean that they will carry it out. California has death but no man on death row has been put to death since 2006.Compare that to Texas and Florida FL executed an inmate in April 2012.Texas put a man to death just a few days ago.Colorado last put a man to death in 1997.In some states it is really symbolic(stupid if you ask me) in ohters you actually will be dead man walking.Some in Florida and Texas have only spent 2 or 3 years on death row.

07-22-12, 03:25 PM	#7
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well Holmes falls under 1,2,and 12. I am surprised that there is not a specific code for the murder of a child.In Florida you can get death for severe sexual assault of a person under the age of 13 even if the victim does not die.