German court bans circumcision

[MH]

Let go with the Muslim thinking then....
Lets outlaw alcohol because it does more damage to people than anything else including killing little children.
Again...culturally booze is so deeply rooted in western culture that even defining it as drug is out of the question.
Can you see here the cultural issue...let outlaw coke
The change if ever... should come from the community itself in particular in a case where ethics is of cultural debate,damage is totally matter of opinion and cultural importance is big issue.

Actually< -this is wrong. The medical mythology that gas been erected around this in defence of it, has been picked apart since longer time now

Depends who you ask...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by MH

Let go with the Muslim thinking then....
Lets outlaw alcohol because it does more damage to people than anything else including killing little children.

If alcohol were being injwected via injeciton hoses into children to intoxicate them to death, yes, then it woul dbe an option to ban lcohol. Or better: to ban alcohol being used this way on children. If you want to drink yourself to death, go ahead, I couldn'T care less. If you aise hcildren, the authorities will take them away from you sooner or later, according to the law which says children mjust be protected from their parents if these abuses them or do not treat them to their minimum bsic needs and interests.

Again...culturally booze is so deeply rooted in western culture that even defining it as drug is out of the question.
Can you see here the cultural issue...let outlaw coke
The change if ever... should come from the community itself in particular in a case where ethics is of cultural debate,damage is totally matter of opinion and cultural importance is big issue.

Circumcision: somethiong is being done to children, actively, violating them, absuing their weakness. It gets done to you. Alcohol, Coke, or, like in the essay I linked: giving a child a prescribed drugs against a a coronar problem with its heart - these are not the same thing at all.

Depends who you ask...

No, it is not an issue of interpretation, it is an iussue that stands or falls by empirical experience, by numbers. For example it is not interpretation whether or not there were medical complications in every 50th child after circumcision done in a hospital, it is fact. Counting events and getting a total number is no interpretatioin issue, it is empirical evidence.

It also is no interpretation only when questionaires result in total numbers on men reporting this or that experience, it again is - empiry. "Three in ten subjects say" means 30% - not more, not less, there is no interpretation.

The mythology of hygienics benefitting from circumcision, has been pretty much shown wrong EMPIRICALLY that way. Like we also know today for sure that masturbation does not blind you, that it does not kill your brain, and that it is a myth that men have only so and so many "shots" in life, and not more. We also know that it does not ain bread from heaven, that a shepard does not divide the seas by swinging a magical wand, and that mutilating the gentical of little children doe snothing to please or annoy any god. The only ones being annoyed are the kids and people like me, and the only ones being pleased are priests and parents who do to their kids what has been done to them by their own parents. One generation infects the next one.

The prescribed cure to heal this: education, and enforcing the right of children to grow up unmobbed by religions, and as adults decide by their own, in freedom and self-determination, whether they want to join the skinner-club, or not.

I mean I hope you would call the police when you learn that your neighbours use to cut off the left little finger from the hands of their children when they reach the age of 4, which means the age of holy fingerlessness, eh?

[mapuc]

The debate about circumcision of boys are also being debated in Denmark. Here are a majority in the Danish parliament for a ban on circumcision. The last few days I have via the Internet, newspapers, radio and television witnessed much fiery discussion about this.

Parliament will not implement a ban until they have explored all Aspekte in this delicate topic

Each side must be heard.

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