German court bans circumcision

Skybird · 06-28-12, 05:01 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-841276.html

About time, i would say. It compares to branding of horses and is the abuse of the weak and young once again - that still cannot judge, weigh and assess due to young age - to mutilate them without medical need. Religious ideology claims posession of the individual by marking it irreversibly, and it is revealing that the two archenemies in theistic beliefs, Jews and Muslims, are standing side by side here. It cannot be accepted any longer that freedom of religion weighs heavier than the right of physical integrity and children being protected from physical assaults like this. The alternative is to leave children unattacked by ideologic indoctirnation and physical mutilation until they are 18 or 21 years. When they are adult in the law'S sense they may decide whether or not they want to join this or that club or not, or whether they want a tatoo, a piercing, a branding, a tongue splitting or a genital mutilation. But of course religions want nothing less than this: to leave the children unharmed by religions' ideology, and leave individuals a choice to decide for or against them. What gets glossed as cultural habit and religious rite, in reality is just this: the branding of horses to mark claims of possession.

Parents do not have total rights over their children, they do not own or possess them. Sexual assault is forbidden, physical assault is forbidden, letting kids starve or exlcuding them from needed medical treatment. Even slapping a disobedient kid now can earn you a call to court today. But mutilating them over religious claims - that should go by because it is founded on religion...?

A good German comment from the conservative FAZ:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleto...-11801160.html

joegrundman · 06-28-12, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-841276.html

About time, i would say. It compares to branding of horses and is the abuse of the weak and young once again - that still cannot judge, weigh and assess due to young age - to mutilate them without medical need. Religious ideology claims posession of the individual by marking it irreversibly, and it is revealing that the two archenemies in theistic beliefs, Jews and Muslims, are standing side by side here. It cannot be accepted any longer that freedom of religion weighs heavier than the right of physical integrity and children being protected from physical assaults like this. The alternative is to leave children unattacked by ideologic indoctirnation and physical mutilation until they are 18 or 21 years. When they are adult in the law'S sense they may decide whether or not they want to join this or that club or not, or whether they want a tatoo, a piercing, a branding, a tongue splitting or a genital mutilation. But of course religions want nothing less than this: to leave the children unharmed by religions' ideology, and leave individuals a choice to decide for or against them. What gets glossed as cultural habit and relgious rite, in reality is just this: the branding of horses to mark claims of possession.

A good German comment from the conservative FAZ:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleto...-11801160.html

a) germany will back down from this law
b) it may be revealing that the Jews and Muslims unite in opposition to this, but what it reveals is neither surprising nor interesting

MH · 06-28-12, 05:14 AM

Ahhh...very strong vocabulary...i would have to see anyone complain about it besides the people who have nothing to do with it.

WoW Sky....you really care so much

BossMark · 06-28-12, 05:19 AM

Well it will stop a lot of FORE Skinless pain

Skybird · 06-28-12, 05:24 AM

The court'S ruling will serve as an precedent in every indiovidual court case from now on. It is not mandatorily binding for all later cases to come, but will be considered and influence.

It may not be intzeresting to you, or surprising (it is not if you know the three desert dogmas), but it is revealing indeed. It means that even more important than their mutual animosities and hostilities is their shared interest to defend their priviliges, their exlcusiopns from legal standards, their special roles being accepted as if they were founded on something worthy. It reveals what a bigot accumulation of cynical hunger for power they all are, and that the fundaemtalism in all three of them is not worth to be differentiated.

Absuing children is the lowest level to which man can fall. It's time that our legal systems start to treat it accordingly. We are no pri8mitive sheep shepards from 3 thousand years ago anymore. We should knopw better by now, and must not copy the relics of our primtive pasts anymore. It is neither genes nor drives that tell us to violate children. It is human stupidity only, fanatism, and ideologic claim of superiority over others.

Abuse of animals thta are at our mercy, of weaker ones, of children - that are things that really make me boil hot. Dispicable.

BTW, circumcision is not even demanded for in the Quran. Like almost evertyhign else they just copied the Jews when they saw that it functions: and again, it is about the branding of horses to claim possession of them. That'S the only real purpose behind it.

Skybird · 06-28-12, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MH

Ahhh...very strong vocabulary

Strong vocabulary? It is calling things by their real name, which is not offensive, but precise. The offense is taken by those only who as a result are ripped of their masks behind which they were allowed to hide for too long.

MH · 06-28-12, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Strong vocabulary? It is calling things by their real name, which is not offensive, but precise. The offense is taken by those only who as a result are ripped of their masks behind which they were allowed to hide for too long.

WOW what can i say the Muslim flood is really getting on your nerves there...stop being such hypocrite.

antikristuseke · 06-28-12, 05:40 AM

About damn time this pointless mutilation of the genitalia of children was stopped. Good riddance.
If you feel strongly about it, get it done as an adult, do not mutilate children.

Herr-Berbunch · 06-28-12, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

About damn time this pointless mutilation of the genitalia of children was stopped. Good riddance.
If you feel strongly about it, get it done as an adult, do not mutilate children.

It should be an informed choice made by an informed adult, not foisted upon the innocents.

Rockstar · 06-28-12, 05:50 AM

Let me guess, Roland Freisler was the court president reviewing this case.

Rockstar · 06-28-12, 05:54 AM

Amazes me how some get all up in arms over this. Especially the hypocrites who on one hand can say kill them in the womb then turn right around pat themselves on the back for being such ardent supporters of the rights of a child.

antikristuseke · 06-28-12, 05:57 AM

Two different issues entirely, please do not derail the thread.

MH · 06-28-12, 05:58 AM

I just wonder what are the statistical complications due to piercing or tattooing.

joegrundman · 06-28-12, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MH

I just wonder what are the statistical complications due to piercing or tattooing.

also a different issue!

MH · 06-28-12, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

also a different issue!

No it is not....it is about underling motivations of such laws.
I suspect it is outcome of inability of EU to deal with their problems directly or calling things by their true names.

So they sell this bull...

06-28-12, 05:01 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	German court bans circumcision http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-841276.html About time, i would say. It compares to branding of horses and is the abuse of the weak and young once again - that still cannot judge, weigh and assess due to young age - to mutilate them without medical need. Religious ideology claims posession of the individual by marking it irreversibly, and it is revealing that the two archenemies in theistic beliefs, Jews and Muslims, are standing side by side here. It cannot be accepted any longer that freedom of religion weighs heavier than the right of physical integrity and children being protected from physical assaults like this. The alternative is to leave children unattacked by ideologic indoctirnation and physical mutilation until they are 18 or 21 years. When they are adult in the law'S sense they may decide whether or not they want to join this or that club or not, or whether they want a tatoo, a piercing, a branding, a tongue splitting or a genital mutilation. But of course religions want nothing less than this: to leave the children unharmed by religions' ideology, and leave individuals a choice to decide for or against them. What gets glossed as cultural habit and religious rite, in reality is just this: the branding of horses to mark claims of possession. Parents do not have total rights over their children, they do not own or possess them. Sexual assault is forbidden, physical assault is forbidden, letting kids starve or exlcuding them from needed medical treatment. Even slapping a disobedient kid now can earn you a call to court today. But mutilating them over religious claims - that should go by because it is founded on religion...? A good German comment from the conservative FAZ: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleto...-11801160.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-28-12 at 05:14 AM.

06-28-12, 05:19 AM	#4
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Well it will stop a lot of FORE Skinless pain __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now Last edited by BossMark; 06-28-12 at 05:30 AM.

06-28-12, 05:24 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The court'S ruling will serve as an precedent in every indiovidual court case from now on. It is not mandatorily binding for all later cases to come, but will be considered and influence. It may not be intzeresting to you, or surprising (it is not if you know the three desert dogmas), but it is revealing indeed. It means that even more important than their mutual animosities and hostilities is their shared interest to defend their priviliges, their exlcusiopns from legal standards, their special roles being accepted as if they were founded on something worthy. It reveals what a bigot accumulation of cynical hunger for power they all are, and that the fundaemtalism in all three of them is not worth to be differentiated. Absuing children is the lowest level to which man can fall. It's time that our legal systems start to treat it accordingly. We are no pri8mitive sheep shepards from 3 thousand years ago anymore. We should knopw better by now, and must not copy the relics of our primtive pasts anymore. It is neither genes nor drives that tell us to violate children. It is human stupidity only, fanatism, and ideologic claim of superiority over others. Abuse of animals thta are at our mercy, of weaker ones, of children - that are things that really make me boil hot. Dispicable. BTW, circumcision is not even demanded for in the Quran. Like almost evertyhign else they just copied the Jews when they saw that it functions: and again, it is about the branding of horses to claim possession of them. That'S the only real purpose behind it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-28-12, 05:14 AM	#3
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Ahhh...very strong vocabulary...i would have to see anyone complain about it besides the people who have nothing to do with it. WoW Sky....you really care so much

06-28-12, 05:40 AM	#8
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	About damn time this pointless mutilation of the genitalia of children was stopped. Good riddance. If you feel strongly about it, get it done as an adult, do not mutilate children.

06-28-12, 05:50 AM	#10
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Let me guess, Roland Freisler was the court president reviewing this case.

06-28-12, 05:54 AM	#11
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Amazes me how some get all up in arms over this. Especially the hypocrites who on one hand can say kill them in the womb then turn right around pat themselves on the back for being such ardent supporters of the rights of a child.

06-28-12, 05:57 AM	#12
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Two different issues entirely, please do not derail the thread.

06-28-12, 05:58 AM	#13
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	I just wonder what are the statistical complications due to piercing or tattooing.