German court bans circumcision

Skybird · 06-28-12, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MH

Ahhh...very strong vocabulary

Strong vocabulary? It is calling things by their real name, which is not offensive, but precise. The offense is taken by those only who as a result are ripped of their masks behind which they were allowed to hide for too long.

MH · 06-28-12, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Strong vocabulary? It is calling things by their real name, which is not offensive, but precise. The offense is taken by those only who as a result are ripped of their masks behind which they were allowed to hide for too long.

WOW what can i say the Muslim flood is really getting on your nerves there...stop being such hypocrite.

antikristuseke · 06-28-12, 05:40 AM

About damn time this pointless mutilation of the genitalia of children was stopped. Good riddance.
If you feel strongly about it, get it done as an adult, do not mutilate children.

Herr-Berbunch · 06-28-12, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

About damn time this pointless mutilation of the genitalia of children was stopped. Good riddance.
If you feel strongly about it, get it done as an adult, do not mutilate children.

It should be an informed choice made by an informed adult, not foisted upon the innocents.

Rockstar · 06-28-12, 05:50 AM

Let me guess, Roland Freisler was the court president reviewing this case.

Rockstar · 06-28-12, 05:54 AM

Amazes me how some get all up in arms over this. Especially the hypocrites who on one hand can say kill them in the womb then turn right around pat themselves on the back for being such ardent supporters of the rights of a child.

antikristuseke · 06-28-12, 05:57 AM

Two different issues entirely, please do not derail the thread.

Skybird · 06-28-12, 06:17 AM

While I think that abortion in 12th week probbaly leads too far, I refuse to compare a fetus of 4 weeks with a born child of several years in age. The criterion to me is the excistence of a nervous system and sensory system whose signal inpout gets computed in an already existing brain that is sufficiently developed to form an indiviodual "print" of this input. Before this is the case, to me it is just a bunch of cells, no human being with any form of philosophical identity of its own. And for that, 12 weeks (the limit at which abortion in Germany under certain circumstances can remain free of penalties) is probably too much.

But anyhow, circumcision and abortion have nothing to do with each other. You could as well complain about attacking pedophile priests when not at the same time protesting against abotion, too.

Article 1, German Basic Law (=coinstituion of Germany) : "The dignity of man is untouchable.". Ther eis no exception mentioned for Islamic or Jewish people. There is no word on that the dignity of children may be violated in the name of religious ideology and branding to claim cultural possession of children. The dignity of children is untouchable. Parents and priests or whomever have no right to do physical damage to them. You are not allowed to beat them, to mistreat them, or to cut off their nosetips or earlobes.

In Judaism there is even an extremely orthodox sect that pushes the mutilation of genitals even further. There the hero carrying out the procedure has to nibble on the cutoff foreskin and on the bleeding gential of the kid. I beg you! How much more is needed toi illustrate how absurd and idiotic the whole thing of circumcision is?

Again, the Quran, to my knowledge, does not demand it, at least I cannot remember it.

The circumcision of females is even more inhumane and disastrous, and an extremely painful and dangerous procedure as well, traumatizing the victim in most cases for the rest of her life. Here again the underlaying motive is about patriarchalic claims of possessing and being in power over females. The same motivation it is with mutilating male children: to claim possession of them in the name of an ideology and its subordinate culture.

If we protest against female circumcision, and make it illegal, then there is no excuse to not do the same with the circumcision of boys.

Or we could also allow 5 year old girls which are physically absolutely normal brought by their parents to cosmetical surgery, becaue parents want a certain physicaol feature: a different nose, longer legs, a different skin colour...

Leave these things to free decision of the individual once it has grown up and is 18. I know I know - religions hate it to leave people in freedom, there is nothing they hate more than free people that think independently from them. That is one of the reasons why I am so bitterly hostile towards any religion.

MH · 06-28-12, 06:28 AM

So who is complaining here?
The poor victims?

We all probably are so religiously brainwashed we don't know whats good for us.

It will truly solve your integration problems....outlawing branding.

MH · 06-28-12, 05:58 AM

I just wonder what are the statistical complications due to piercing or tattooing.

joegrundman · 06-28-12, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MH

I just wonder what are the statistical complications due to piercing or tattooing.

also a different issue!

MH · 06-28-12, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

also a different issue!

No it is not....it is about underling motivations of such laws.
I suspect it is outcome of inability of EU to deal with their problems directly or calling things by their true names.

So they sell this bull...

Rockstar · 06-28-12, 06:25 AM

OK, the issue at hand is circumcision. It is a medical procedure routinely done at birth and a procedure done on the 8th day according to the law of Moses. Whats the big deal?

I was circumcised at my parents request, Im perfectly fine. What the heck is your issue with it? Mind your own business, leave me and my parents out of your holier than thou hypocritical self righteousness rants.

If by chance a procedure has gone wrong whether it was performed by a doctor or rabbi then investigate that case and that case alone. Dont lump it and me with my parents decision in with your assinine arguements.

Jerks

Herr-Berbunch · 06-28-12, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

I was circumcised at my parents request, Im perfectly fine.

Jerks

As are most people, but at the age of 18, 21, 30, 40 would you choose to have it done if not for a purely medical reason?

Nice sign off, by the way.

06-28-12, 06:17 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,676 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	While I think that abortion in 12th week probbaly leads too far, I refuse to compare a fetus of 4 weeks with a born child of several years in age. The criterion to me is the excistence of a nervous system and sensory system whose signal inpout gets computed in an already existing brain that is sufficiently developed to form an indiviodual "print" of this input. Before this is the case, to me it is just a bunch of cells, no human being with any form of philosophical identity of its own. And for that, 12 weeks (the limit at which abortion in Germany under certain circumstances can remain free of penalties) is probably too much. But anyhow, circumcision and abortion have nothing to do with each other. You could as well complain about attacking pedophile priests when not at the same time protesting against abotion, too. Article 1, German Basic Law (=coinstituion of Germany) : "The dignity of man is untouchable.". Ther eis no exception mentioned for Islamic or Jewish people. There is no word on that the dignity of children may be violated in the name of religious ideology and branding to claim cultural possession of children. The dignity of children is untouchable. Parents and priests or whomever have no right to do physical damage to them. You are not allowed to beat them, to mistreat them, or to cut off their nosetips or earlobes. In Judaism there is even an extremely orthodox sect that pushes the mutilation of genitals even further. There the hero carrying out the procedure has to nibble on the cutoff foreskin and on the bleeding gential of the kid. I beg you! How much more is needed toi illustrate how absurd and idiotic the whole thing of circumcision is? Again, the Quran, to my knowledge, does not demand it, at least I cannot remember it. The circumcision of females is even more inhumane and disastrous, and an extremely painful and dangerous procedure as well, traumatizing the victim in most cases for the rest of her life. Here again the underlaying motive is about patriarchalic claims of possessing and being in power over females. The same motivation it is with mutilating male children: to claim possession of them in the name of an ideology and its subordinate culture. If we protest against female circumcision, and make it illegal, then there is no excuse to not do the same with the circumcision of boys. Or we could also allow 5 year old girls which are physically absolutely normal brought by their parents to cosmetical surgery, becaue parents want a certain physicaol feature: a different nose, longer legs, a different skin colour... Leave these things to free decision of the individual once it has grown up and is 18. I know I know - religions hate it to leave people in freedom, there is nothing they hate more than free people that think independently from them. That is one of the reasons why I am so bitterly hostile towards any religion. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-28-12, 05:40 AM	#3
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	About damn time this pointless mutilation of the genitalia of children was stopped. Good riddance. If you feel strongly about it, get it done as an adult, do not mutilate children.

06-28-12, 05:50 AM	#5
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Let me guess, Roland Freisler was the court president reviewing this case.

06-28-12, 05:54 AM	#6
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Amazes me how some get all up in arms over this. Especially the hypocrites who on one hand can say kill them in the womb then turn right around pat themselves on the back for being such ardent supporters of the rights of a child.

06-28-12, 05:57 AM	#7
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Two different issues entirely, please do not derail the thread.

06-28-12, 06:28 AM	#9
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	So who is complaining here? The poor victims? We all probably are so religiously brainwashed we don't know whats good for us. It will truly solve your integration problems....outlawing branding.

06-28-12, 05:58 AM	#10
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	I just wonder what are the statistical complications due to piercing or tattooing.

06-28-12, 06:25 AM	#13
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	OK, the issue at hand is circumcision. It is a medical procedure routinely done at birth and a procedure done on the 8th day according to the law of Moses. Whats the big deal? I was circumcised at my parents request, Im perfectly fine. What the heck is your issue with it? Mind your own business, leave me and my parents out of your holier than thou hypocritical self righteousness rants. If by chance a procedure has gone wrong whether it was performed by a doctor or rabbi then investigate that case and that case alone. Dont lump it and me with my parents decision in with your assinine arguements. Jerks