Homosexual found guilty on 45 out of 48 counts!

[ZeeWolf]

Originally Posted by Codz

The chances of enough people approving that are so ridiculously small, that it's not worth considering. 18 is the international standard for the age of consent, and that isn't changing. It's just as likely as murder suddenly becoming acceptable.

Codz, can you name any government on earth (that has anything good to say about the US) that gives a damn about what the people want?

"international standard!" Oh yah, I remember voting on that one

ZeeWolf

[Codz]

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

Codz, can you name any government on earth (that has anything good to say about the US) that gives a damn about what the people want?

"international standard!" Oh yah, I remember voting on that one

ZeeWolf

Can you name a government on Earth that would want to lower the age of consent dramatically? With your logic, murder would be legalized in a matter of days.

Let's also remember that in the US, you vote for representitives, and I seriously doubt a majority of the population would vote for someone who is in favor of legalizing pedophilia.

Originally Posted by Codz

18 is the international standard for the age of consent, and that isn't changing.

Err what? 18 isn't even a universal age of consent in the United States.

[Codz]

Originally Posted by Rilder

Err what? 18 isn't even a universal age of consent in the United States.

Generally accepted age of consent then. The age of consent in the US is between 16 and 18 in all states.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

Wrong again there Sailor,
I think you would be wise to avoid showing me how much you do not know
about the bible Old or New Testament. You simply do not know the truth about
the manuscript evidence that the bible has behind it. You mention a few
references but there is much more that destroys the assertion that undermines the accuracy of the scriptures.

Talk is cheap. You have yet to show that you know anything. How about trying to refute the argument with facts rather than trying to win by dismissal.

"There is much more that destroys the assertion?" Show it then. Let's see what you "know". Show the "truth" about the manuscript evidence. So far all you've done is talk. You also need to show exactly where the Bible tells you to hate the way you do.

[ZeeWolf]

Originally Posted by Codz

Can you name a government on Earth that would want to lower the age of consent dramatically? With your logic, murder would be legalized in a matter of days.

Let's also remember that in the US, you vote for representitives, and I seriously doubt a majority of the population would vote for someone who is in favor of legalizing pedophilia.

I guess you are a young man, perhaps a teenager because you consistently
ignore my point.

Take the political act of removing homosexuality as a mental disorder. Then
the reversing the sodomy laws in state after state.

Then the (very small, tiny) political movement that defined homosexuality as a civil right a group that covered every form of perverted sexual behavior including pedophilia.

Then there is the effort to ban it's discrimination and normalize it in the American mind, through sex education in schools and government jobs etc.

And of course reversing the military ban was a major hurdle that brought the walls crashing down.

Can you see now how the will of the people was ignored by the government here?

[ZeeWolf]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Talk is cheap. You have yet to show that you know anything. How about trying to refute the argument with facts rather than trying to win by dismissal.

"There is much more that destroys the assertion?" Show it then. Let's see what you "know". Show the "truth" about the manuscript evidence. So far all you've done is talk. You also need to show exactly where the Bible tells you to hate the way you do.

Sorry you feel that way SS,
There is only one scripture I can give to you:
Matthew Chapter 6 verse 7

ZeeWolf

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

Sorry you feel that way SS,
There is only one scripture I can give to you:
Matthew Chapter 6 verse 7

I would suggest that Matthew 7, verses 3-5 would be more appropriate for you.

[Reece]

My view is that homosexuality is a sickness, a man does not play with another man's parts, it's just plain sick. However as morals have slipped so far and we know that we live in a sick world, what a man chooses to do with another man consensually is their business as long as they conduct it in private - but when innocent children are victimised, as far as I'm concerned pedophiles should be locked up and the key thrown away. This a Christian view and mine as well.

Some members will agree while others will disagree. The fact is if an atheist has the right to his/her opinion on this forum so does a christian or anyone else for that matter.

[mookiemookie]

Dragging homosexuality into an argument about pedophilia is completely stupid. That's all the comment this thread deserves.

[ZeeWolf]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Dragging homosexuality into an argument about pedophilia is completely stupid. That's all the comment this thread deserves.

Really, then how do you explain little boys being molested by men? Isn't
that a same sex union too.
The idea that "homosexuals" have any self restraint when it comes to pursuing
their cravings is nonsense and that is what is completely stupid.

In an earlier post the claim was made that a third of children where boys and
two thirds where girls. And therefore that proves the majority of the perps
where heterosexuals. Now why would I pretend the male perpetrators of the
boys be anything but homosexuals?

Let me give you something else to consider. If you take two thirds of the
molested and put it up to the total number of heterosexual males, you will
see a tiny sliver of a percent of the overall heterosexual male population.
But, if you take the one third and put it against the overall homosexual male
population the percent is huge in comparison.

I hope this helps, it certainly explains why some have been so vicious in their attempt to silence this issue - huh?

ZeeWolf

[MH]

Now why would I pretend the male perpetrators of the
boys be anything but homosexuals?

You could pretend that they are homosexuals and not pedophiles to prove your point...still i guess that not every person above 18 who has sex with someone under 18 is pedophile.It may be a fluid situation in reality but black&white by law sometimes.
I guess that when such a case occurs with homosexual couple we might have a bit skewed view and jump to some conclusions.


Actually i find it funny that religion is so well defined about homosexuality but very shady when it comes to issues of sexual/mental maturity...in particular regarding women.

[ZeeWolf]

Now why would I pretend the male perpetrators of the
boys be anything but homosexuals?

Originally Posted by MH

You could pretend that they are homosexuals and not pedophiles to prove your point...still i guess that not every person above 18 who has sex with someone under 18 is pedophile.It may be a fluid situation in reality but black&white by law sometimes.
I guess that when such a case occurs with homosexual couple we might have a bit skewed view and jump to some conclusions.

I can see why names that classify criminal behavior is necessary in the law.
But to then use these names to give order to chaos which is sexual perversion,
is worse then misleading. It gives the false sense that there are
hard boundaries and a false sense of predictability. And plays a role that
predators use to win trust. As with Sandusky, everything about this guy
was a lie. How could this guy deceive so many for so long with so many victims?
I think the time to rethink this entire area of human behavior is over due.
To few have had to much power to make decisions that produced to many
truly innocent victims and yet are still considered experts.

ZeeWolf

[Codz]

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

I guess you are a young man, perhaps a teenager because you consistently
ignore my point.

Take the political act of removing homosexuality as a mental disorder. Then
the reversing the sodomy laws in state after state.

Then the (very small, tiny) political movement that defined homosexuality as a civil right a group that covered every form of perverted sexual behavior including pedophilia.

Then there is the effort to ban it's discrimination and normalize it in the American mind, through sex education in schools and government jobs etc.

And of course reversing the military ban was a major hurdle that brought the walls crashing down.

Can you see now how the will of the people was ignored by the government here?

So apparently only young people aren't bigots then? Once again, what are they doing to you that is infringing on you or another person's rights? The link you are describing between homosexuality and pedophilia does not exist. Pedophilia can happen in either sexuality and it is independant of both. The government is not ignoring the will of the people just because it is trying to reverse the wrong it has done in the past.

[CaptainMattJ.]

The question is why we even try to refute his argument at all. Its clear to most people with half a brain and some critical thinking skills to see the impossibility of trying to get a deaf man to listen. It wouldnt surprise me if he was trolling, it wouldnt surprise me if its what he ACTUALLY believes. Either way its disgusting. If you are going to argue seriously with another, there needs to be a reason to do so. There has to be a chance of getting the other to come to a realization, which is clearly not going to happen here.

How can you refute an argument that is so beyond flawed its ridiculous, to a man that cannot and will not listen or understand. Not only is the argument flawed, but how can you take an argument seriously from a man who is clearly a MASSIVE hypocrite and, from his words as it appears to me, is not a credible enough person with the skills to present a well balanced argument.


Therefore, refuting the argument wastes time, energy, maybe a bit of disgust, all thrown at a brick wall. not even good enough for GT. my views have already been reflected by many, and putting forth anymore would be fighting fire with more fire. Kind of reminds me of the Westboro baptist church.