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[August]

Originally Posted by razark

Why do you need the book to tell you what the good moral lessons are, if you already know they are morally good?

I didn't say I needed a book to tell me that. That doesn't mean nobody else does either, nor does it mean that I don't find it handy to explain certain things. But just like not everyone needs a travel guide and others are lost without it, I don't think any less of people for wanting to use one nor am I adverse to taking advantage of things I may read in them.

[razark]

Originally Posted by August

I didn't say I needed a book to tell me that.

Sorry, that was a general you, not directed at you specifically.

Originally Posted by August

That doesn't mean nobody else does either, nor does it mean that I don't find it handy to explain certain things. But just like not everyone needs a travel guide and others are lost without it, I don't think any less of people for wanting to use one nor am I adverse to taking advantage of things I may read in them.

My question is why use a travel guide that tells you all the wonderful parts of a city to see, but also insists that you need to crawl through the sewers and garbage dumps? Get a better travel guide, one that doesn't hide the gems of goodness behind piles of crap.

[August]

Originally Posted by razark

Sorry, that was a general you, not directed at you specifically.


My question is why use a travel guide that tells you all the wonderful parts of a city to see, but also insists that you need to crawl through the sewers and garbage dumps? Get a better travel guide, one that doesn't hide the gems of goodness behind piles of crap.

Well no travel guide is perfect, they are all written by flawed and fallible humans but what would be considered "piles of crap" is really a matter of personal opinion.

[razark]

Originally Posted by August

...but what would be considered "piles of crap" is really a matter of personal opinion.

Well:

Originally Posted by razark

...slavery, genocide, conquest, etc.

I'd call those "piles of crap", morally. And I will go so far to say that anyone that doesn't think those are morally wrong is also a "pile of crap".

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Oh, that poor defenseless man who called their show to tell them that they are going to hell for not thinking the way he does!

Yeah, the AE team is quite clear that anyone is welcome to call their show. They spent an entire episode talking to Ray Comfort once.

[August]

Originally Posted by razark

Well:

I'd call those "piles of crap", morally. And I will go so far to say that anyone that doesn't think those are morally wrong is also a "pile of crap".

Really? Well I would go so far to say that anyone who so callously dismisses an entire collection of books that have been held dear by billions of people for thousands of years as a "pile of crap" is staggeringly arrogant. By what authority do you make these claims? Why should anyone believe you?

[razark]

Originally Posted by August

Really? Well I would go so far to say that anyone who so callously dismisses an entire collection of books that have been held dear by billions of people for thousands of years as a "pile of crap" is staggeringly arrogant.

I did not dismiss the entire collection. I even said there were some good parts. I simply pointed out that parts of the collection are downright wrong, morally. I also asked how you tell the divinely inspired parts from everything else.

Originally Posted by August

By what authority do you make these claims? Why should anyone believe you?

By my authority as a human being to make moral judgments on actions I am aware of. And no one should believe me, they should examine the evidence for themselves with an open mind, and ask what they believe is right and wrong.

So let me ask you:
Is slavery ever morally right?

[August]

Originally Posted by razark

So let me ask you:
Is slavery ever morally right?

Not by my standards. How about yours?

I also asked how you tell the divinely inspired parts from everything else.

Because I am not blind but i'm not going to give you a point by point review of the merits of every verse in a book that I see as only as one general guide to life out of many.

What Bible verses in particular do you object to and can you explain how you know that they haven't been added or modified in one of the many translations since the event they describe occurred?