Unnarmed 17 year old shot dead "in self defence"

Osmium Steele · 03-20-12, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Steelhead

It sounds to me like an overzealous and perhaps overly paranoid man decided to take the law into his own hands

Which was my, probably poorly worded, point. The PD didn't arrest him stating that what he had done was protected under Stand Your Ground.

I vehemently disagree. If anything, he was the aggressor. It will not stand up in court as a defense, and it is not the PDs call anyway.

He should have been in a cell within 24 hours, once the fog had cleared surrounding the incident.

BossMark · 03-20-12, 12:17 PM

Does Florida use the death penalty

kraznyi_oktjabr · 03-20-12, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossMark

Does Florida use the death penalty

Yes, they do.

BossMark · 03-20-12, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Yes, they do.

Lets hope they use it on the piece crap that killed that poor lad then

yubba · 03-21-12, 11:27 AM

why isn't this picture in the newspaper much ?????? it has been way in the 80's here who needs to be wearing a hooded sweat shirt, all our little gansters here wears this, I rememeber being in the gunshop when some kid came in wearing a hoody like that, the owner came unglued. pic was taken march 14 2012.

mookiemookie · 03-21-12, 11:37 AM

I own a hooded sweatshirt. Should I be shot because of it?

Ducimus · 03-21-12, 11:41 AM

Teens like to think their tough. Some dress to look tough, doesn't mean they are. Where i grew up in california, you had two types of "gangsta's". The real ones that id call "gangbangers", and the "posers". The poser's you laughed at for trying to be all bad, the gangbangers (aka cholo's,) you didn't screw with. This kid was probably worth laughing at, not shooting at.

gimpy117 · 03-21-12, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I own a hooded sweatshirt. Should I be shot because of it?

I do too, but i doubt it will happen because I assume we are both white

and why does that picture of the sweatshirt make him "gangster?" I have plenty of hoodies, and when it's chilly I also put the hood up

vienna · 03-21-12, 12:46 PM

Going back to why the Feds have moved into this case, I don't think it is a racial issue. Like so many actions, the main reason the local and state agencies are dragging their feet may have nothing to do with race but more with money. The issue of liability spreads farther than Zimmerman and his activities. The local and state agencies are in a bit of a no win situation: (1) if they move swiftly and do a thorough investigation, they may uncover facts and situations potentially self-incriminating; (2) if they don't do a thorough investigation, they may be open to liability for not doing their duty. In the first case, they may uncover lapse or flaws in the firearms permit process and/or the granting of the permit, they may uncover indicators of behavioral problems regarding Zimmerman that should have prompted action by the authorities not undertaken (sort of like when police answer multiple domestic abuse calls at a location, do nothing, and a death results). In the second case, by trying to aviod complicity in actions that may have resulted in the incident by stalling or ignoring the crime, they leave themselves open to civil, if not criminal, liability. No matter what happens now, the local and state governments are in for one hell of a large lawsuit. Race is not the more likely issue in the actions of the authorities; not having to make a huge payout is the probable underlying cause...

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Aramike · 03-22-12, 01:41 AM

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Good point. This idiot should never have been armed with a firearm if this is how he's going to use it. But I can't make that logical leap to banning all guns or enacting stricter gun control standards because one idiot used one wrong.

I hope that I didn't seem to be making that leap, either.

My whole perspective on gun control is simple: we should take reasonable steps to make it difficult for a known criminal to legally acquire firearms, but it needs to be EASIER for a known law-abiding citizen to own them.

Aramike · 03-22-12, 01:48 AM

My opinion? The media is the most racist of them all, period. This would not be a national story if it was an example of white-on-white violence. But the fact is that the media just happened to notice the disparity between the skin color of the victim and the accused, and it became a major headline.

Honestly, one of the things about our nation that's made me feel the sickest is that, in our attempt to blur the differences of our ethnicities, we've done nothing more than amplify them.

03-22-12, 03:09 AM

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i capitalized white to emphasize that people have mistaken him for a caucasian (if you must be politically correct)

whites, caucasians, meaning originating from european cultures and branching out.

One huge mistake after another

Did you understand what was written at all?
white means white which means white, just because you don't like the way it was used doesn't mean it was used the wrong way.
If some people make a mistake on both what white means and what caucasian means and how it forms their views then that can say something about them and it isn't a very nice thing.

Many people are saying that if it wasn't a white man and a black man or if the roles were reversed it wouldn't be a story.
That has some validity but the validity comes with the sad truth that the events are a big story because of the history of the nation and its everyday legacy.
Some people are very eager to claim the validity but completely reject the truth behind it.

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Not the KKK of the '60's, just a black wanting to kill all the whites so that they can take over.

So for balance are you going top post a video of a crazy white supramacist or a crazy chicano with aztlan ambitions ?
Or do you actually have no point ?

mookiemookie · 03-22-12, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

My opinion? The media is the most racist of them all, period. This would not be a national story if it was an example of white-on-white violence. But the fact is that the media just happened to notice the disparity between the skin color of the victim and the accused, and it became a major headline.

But it has to be emphasized because it's the whole point of the story. The kid was shot for being black in the wrong part of town, period. He wasn't shot for trying to burglarize something, he wasn't shot because he was holding a gun. He was shot because, in the words of the shooter, "these *****'s always get away" and he was a "*******g coon."

Sailor Steve · 03-22-12, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

IMy whole perspective on gun control is simple: we should take reasonable steps to make it difficult for a known criminal to legally acquire firearms, but it needs to be EASIER for a known law-abiding citizen to own them.

And excellent point, and one I share. The problem in this case is the seemingly law-abiding citizen who really shouldn't have a gun. How do we weed them out?

joegrundman · 03-22-12, 11:27 AM

american prospect magazine has this article on the history of the "stand your ground" law and the results of it. it's pretty alarming reading!

http://prospect.org/article/history-...our-ground-law

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vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,733 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Going back to why the Feds have moved into this case, I don't think it is a racial issue. Like so many actions, the main reason the local and state agencies are dragging their feet may have nothing to do with race but more with money. The issue of liability spreads farther than Zimmerman and his activities. The local and state agencies are in a bit of a no win situation: (1) if they move swiftly and do a thorough investigation, they may uncover facts and situations potentially self-incriminating; (2) if they don't do a thorough investigation, they may be open to liability for not doing their duty. In the first case, they may uncover lapse or flaws in the firearms permit process and/or the granting of the permit, they may uncover indicators of behavioral problems regarding Zimmerman that should have prompted action by the authorities not undertaken (sort of like when police answer multiple domestic abuse calls at a location, do nothing, and a death results). In the second case, by trying to aviod complicity in actions that may have resulted in the incident by stalling or ignoring the crime, they leave themselves open to civil, if not criminal, liability. No matter what happens now, the local and state governments are in for one hell of a large lawsuit. Race is not the more likely issue in the actions of the authorities; not having to make a huge payout is the probable underlying cause... ... __________________ __________________________________________________ __

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joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	american prospect magazine has this article on the history of the "stand your ground" law and the results of it. it's pretty alarming reading! http://prospect.org/article/history-...our-ground-law __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

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yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	why isn't this picture in the newspaper much ?????? it has been way in the 80's here who needs to be wearing a hooded sweat shirt, all our little gansters here wears this, I rememeber being in the gunshop when some kid came in wearing a hoody like that, the owner came unglued. pic was taken march 14 2012.

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Teens like to think their tough. Some dress to look tough, doesn't mean they are. Where i grew up in california, you had two types of "gangsta's". The real ones that id call "gangbangers", and the "posers". The poser's you laughed at for trying to be all bad, the gangbangers (aka cholo's,) you didn't screw with. This kid was probably worth laughing at, not shooting at.

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Aramike Ocean Warrior Best of SUBSIM Chairman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,207 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	My opinion? The media is the most racist of them all, period. This would not be a national story if it was an example of white-on-white violence. But the fact is that the media just happened to notice the disparity between the skin color of the victim and the accused, and it became a major headline. Honestly, one of the things about our nation that's made me feel the sickest is that, in our attempt to blur the differences of our ethnicities, we've done nothing more than amplify them.